And my sentiment, as I expected, is ignored, and the bickering continues...
Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Fuhrer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: PB no more..... > > Hey, > > Is bickering the only thing that happens on this list? No offense, but in > the past few days this list has been probably 90% flaming/bickering over > peoples' opposing views on Valve, Punkbuster, and the future of CS/Halflife. > I think that those who aren't directly involved with any of these companies > should stop trying to tell us what's going on behind the scenes... No one > knows except those who actually work for Valve and/or Punkbuster! Why can't > we just wait and see what happens instead of fighting over things we don't > even know the whole story on. > > I respect your opinions, but can we please act like mature adults? > > Justin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "HoundDawg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: PB no more..... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "HL Server" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > At 10:11 AM 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Well, yer definately playing Devil's advocate here (I thought that was > > > >Eric's job). Anyway, yer comments about "pretend" software developers > > was > > > >unfounded and uncalled for. I'll be the first to THWACK you for that > > one. > > > > > > How so? People who can program (and I am one of them) write a program > ... > > > they "release" it ... (basically just share it) ... They set up a web > site > > > and forums and support it and others who use it support it and share > their > > > experiences with the software .... Money never changed hands, and the > > > software is not copy-written or anything and not even recognized by the > > > software manufacturer for the software it is in reference to ... > > "Pretend" > > > may not be a good word for it, but what would you call it then? > > > > Money doesn't have to exchange hands for it to be a real program. Also, > > many of the programs are copyrighted, even the open souce ones. No, > > "pretend", or any other word except for "3rd Party" would work. > > > > > >As for the rest of your rantings...I'm disappointed in your viewpoint > as > > it > > > >has no constructiveness in the gaming community, business, or society > for > > > >that matter. Talk about a bleak world. I dare you post this type of > > > >mentality to the Linux list. If this philosophy of yours (or devil's > > > >advocate) is how things were done in this HL community, then I'd be the > > > >first one to leave. Because, it is that mentality that everyone thinks > > that > > > >Microsoft has (which is, for the most part, false) and not welcoming at > > > >best. > > > > > > You hit the nail on the head Linux (altho I prefer Unix) ... HalfLife is > > > not Open Source now, is it? There is one entity which controls the > > > > Open source has nothing to do with anything we're discussing here. Take a > > step back and re-read some of your comments and maybe you'll see the type > of > > philosophy you're trying to apply here. > > > > > direction of the software ... yes they will take email suggestions .. > yes > > > they will revel in people writing third party utils for their product > ... > > > but no one determines what goes on with their product but them ... To > you > > > a bleak world, to me .. makes perfect sense and no one that wrote a > third > > > party utility, runs a free server .. whatever ... should expect anything > > in > > > return for their efforts and time put in ... > > > > So, what you are saying here, is that a company shouldn't listen to their > > customers but rather just create some shit, throw it against the wall, and > > see if and what parts stick? I prefer the philosophy of a company > listening > > to its customers, or even more importantly, those ideas and suggestions > from > > 3rd party developers that are working hard (for free) to extend their > > original product (which they get paid) based on the feedback and > experiences > > of them and the players they are in contact with. > > > > If Valve took the stance of being some sort of god game developer, I'm not > > sure how many would stick around and waste their time. Especially, when > > better gaming engines are coming out and not just patched up old ones that > > gain additional features not really requested while ignoring those that > are > > giving them sound enhancements that they really don't have to do much > work. > > Man, they would be so f00ked up in the head to not work with all of these > > other developers that aren't even drawing funds from their budget but at > the > > same time extending their product faster than they are. > > > > > I have written countless utilities in support of software and never > > > received anything from it but the satisfaction of little utilities I > wrote > > > running on computers all over the world ... I thought that was awesome > > > myself ... but I never expected anything in return from the author of > the > > > program ... When he made changes, I had to adjust ... I didn't tell him > > > what to code ... I thought my utils were flashier and better than some > he > > > wrote for his software ... Fact of the matter is, his worked .. plain > jane > > > ... Same applies to VALVe .. their software works as is ... > > > > Well, I really don't know at what level your utilities are integrated with > > the primary one, but at some point in integration and feature extentions, > > changes or hooks are required in the main code. If these are not > > incorporated and you can't continue without it, then it's time to move on > to > > another more agreeable community. This is all that Tony is saying and > > doing. > > > > > >If this is truely your beliefs, I hope you never have kids...or ones > that > > > >follow your advise...society would be a better place without them... =\ > > > > > > I have 2 kids, and another due any day (actually could be any minute) > ... > > I > > > am old .. I am wise .. ignore me ... > > > > Well, don't mistake knowledge with wisdom..... from my perspective, it > looks > > like you need a little more wisdom in business ethics.... at least some > > better ethics that would be more beneficial than some authoratarian > > corporate hierarchy. =\ > > > > > > HoundDawg > > http://www.phpGamingSite.com > > http://www.unitedadmins.com > > http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp > > > > > > > > >
