At 10:11 AM 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, yer definately playing Devil's advocate here (I thought that was
>Eric's job). Anyway, yer comments about "pretend" software developers was
>unfounded and uncalled for. I'll be the first to THWACK you for that one.
How so? People who can program (and I am one of them) write a program ...
they "release" it ... (basically just share it) ... They set up a web site
and forums and support it and others who use it support it and share their
experiences with the software .... Money never changed hands, and the
software is not copy-written or anything and not even recognized by the
software manufacturer for the software it is in reference to ... "Pretend"
may not be a good word for it, but what would you call it then?
>As for the rest of your rantings...I'm disappointed in your viewpoint as it
>has no constructiveness in the gaming community, business, or society for
>that matter. Talk about a bleak world. I dare you post this type of
>mentality to the Linux list. If this philosophy of yours (or devil's
>advocate) is how things were done in this HL community, then I'd be the
>first one to leave. Because, it is that mentality that everyone thinks that
>Microsoft has (which is, for the most part, false) and not welcoming at
>best.
You hit the nail on the head Linux (altho I prefer Unix) ... HalfLife is
not Open Source now, is it? There is one entity which controls the
direction of the software ... yes they will take email suggestions .. yes
they will revel in people writing third party utils for their product ...
but no one determines what goes on with their product but them ... To you
a bleak world, to me .. makes perfect sense and no one that wrote a third
party utility, runs a free server .. whatever ... should expect anything in
return for their efforts and time put in ...
I have written countless utilities in support of software and never
received anything from it but the satisfaction of little utilities I wrote
running on computers all over the world ... I thought that was awesome
myself ... but I never expected anything in return from the author of the
program ... When he made changes, I had to adjust ... I didn't tell him
what to code ... I thought my utils were flashier and better than some he
wrote for his software ... Fact of the matter is, his worked .. plain jane
... Same applies to VALVe .. their software works as is ...
>If this is truely your beliefs, I hope you never have kids...or ones that
>follow your advise...society would be a better place without them... =\
I have 2 kids, and another due any day (actually could be any minute) ... I
am old .. I am wise .. ignore me ...
>HoundDawg
>http://www.phpGamingSite.com
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "HL Server" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:00 AM
>Subject: Re: PB no more.....
>
>
> >
> > At 07:48 AM 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > >If you need more enlightenment from PB's side, go through their
> > >forums....even start with this topic:
> >
> ><http://www.crimeprev.org/mat/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=3bb17dfa6bf6ffff;
>act=ST;f=12;t=1694>http://www.crimeprev.org/mat/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=
>3bb17dfa6bf6ffff;act=ST;f=12;t=1694
> >
> > This forum is a great read ... I think everyone that's interested in PB
> > should read it ...
> >
> > I also think it's a hoot all you "pretend" software developers are giving
> > VALVe poop about a product that has successfully sold millions of copies
> > (and probably bootlegged as many) ...
> >
> > They didn't ask any one of you to set to code any additional utilities for
> > their program ... They didn't stop you either ... Anything outside of
>VALVe
> > is volunteer work ... I'm sure they appreciate it and recognize it, but I
> > don't think it's going to sway any of their decisions in the way their
> > program will go ... VALVe makes a change, it's up to the volunteers to
> > change their utility ... not the other way around ...
> >
> > And another thing I got out of that forum ... It takes 12-24 hours to hack
> > new patches of HL, but only 10-15 minutes to avert PB ... As I stated in
>a
> > previous message, I have run PB with the false sense of security that
> > people were not cheating on my servers ... This has been a false sense of
> > security ... PB simply doesn't work, confirmed. It's not like this is a
> > new hack either ... It's not like it's one they don't know about either
> > ... Publicly distributed, named and accessible ...
> >
> > I think the only thing that need be done is for VALVe to decide someday,
> > "Hey, you know, we ought to stamp out the ability to cheat with our
> > program." and from then on it will be history ... VALVe didn't ask Tony
> > Ray to spend every waking moment away from work and family to develop PB
> > ... Tony Ray should expect nothing in return ...
> >
> > If VALVe thought it was worth it to work with him on a project to stop
> > cheating, they would have done it by now ... Now PB is going corporate
>with
> > a product that is easily averted, he has distanced himself even further
> > from any "community" here in my opinion ... I think VALVe is perfectly
> > capable of accomplishing all of this on their own ... I think as a result
> > of this, you will see security implemented in VALVe's stuff, and the death
> > of PB ... Not the other way around ...
> >
> > Tony has leaked info of "PB approved" stamps on games coming out .. blah
> > blah ... I think it was smoke to up the price ... this is just my opinion
>...
> >
> > Anyway ... play devil's advocate, and really think about this ... Don't go
> > on your stance or hearsay ... evaluate the facts ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
