At 11:20 PM 09/26/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > Money never changed hands, and the > > software is not copy-written or anything and not even > > recognized by the > > software manufacturer for the software it is in reference to > > ... "Pretend" > > may not be a good word for it, but what would you call it then? > >I'd call it free-ware.
Okay ... even shareware ... I used to release mine as shareware, but not charge for the registration ... > > To you > > a bleak world, to me .. makes perfect sense and no one that > > wrote a third > > party utility, runs a free server .. whatever ... should > > expect anything in > > return for their efforts and time put in ... > >We're not asking for compensation. We're asking for an explanation. Many >of us have come to rely on PB. Most of us despise cheating. BTW, I was on ... El-Nino today for about 2 hours with Deacon confirming PB's lack of performance ... we proved cheating is rampant no matter what .. and like I said, this was a public link on one of the HalfLife sites ... Either Counter-Strike, or PlanetHalfLife .... Since personally running the hack, I now can recognize the characteristics ... Every server I went to, many people running this hack ... >We merely >believe we are owed by Valve a statement of their thoughts/feelings on this >overall issue, and what their future plans are to address it. > >I don't think that this is an unreasonable demand. Do you? After thinking on it ... even though I think they don't "owe" you an explanation ... at this point, someone should speak up over there, and I wouldn't think lawyers would have to be involved ... after all, this is "community" is it not? Did all the mirrors have to enter into contract to distribute the patches? I don't think so ... I don't think if one of the VALVe people said, "We're not interested in PB cause it doesn't work, we're working on security for cheating as we speak ... We wanted to add the voice so we could control when it was active to deter cheating instead of BC, RW or whatever cause you could ghost using those services ..." for example ... I don't think anyone could get sued over it ... I reiterate, I don't think they need report to us, but yeah, it sure would be nice ... =) >Will it take a >boycott, and a massive public HLDS server shutdown to grab Valve's attention >on this issue, and force a response? Just an idea fellow admins. What do >you all think of this? I think, established servers, if all going for it .. a no brainer ... But, you have servers that the admins aren't on this list .. You have the kids who bring up the servers for 4 hours ... It would be very difficult to halt game play entirely ... I don't think you need to get this drastic yet ... besides, they probably didn't get to the emails yet ... I got about 150 dupes today ... >StanTheMan >TheHardwareFreak >www.hardwarefreak.devastation.cc >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HL Server [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:47 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: PB no more..... > > > > > > > > At 10:11 AM 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >Well, yer definately playing Devil's advocate here (I > > thought that was > > >Eric's job). Anyway, yer comments about "pretend" software > > developers was > > >unfounded and uncalled for. I'll be the first to THWACK you > > for that one. > > > > How so? People who can program (and I am one of them) write > > a program ... > > they "release" it ... (basically just share it) ... They set > > up a web site > > and forums and support it and others who use it support it > > and share their > > experiences with the software .... Money never changed hands, and the > > software is not copy-written or anything and not even > > recognized by the > > software manufacturer for the software it is in reference to > > ... "Pretend" > > may not be a good word for it, but what would you call it then? > > > > >As for the rest of your rantings...I'm disappointed in your > > viewpoint as it > > >has no constructiveness in the gaming community, business, > > or society for > > >that matter. Talk about a bleak world. I dare you post this type of > > >mentality to the Linux list. If this philosophy of yours (or devil's > > >advocate) is how things were done in this HL community, then > > I'd be the > > >first one to leave. Because, it is that mentality that > > everyone thinks that > > >Microsoft has (which is, for the most part, false) and not > > welcoming at > > >best. > > > > You hit the nail on the head Linux (altho I prefer Unix) ... > > HalfLife is > > not Open Source now, is it? There is one entity which controls the > > direction of the software ... yes they will take email > > suggestions .. yes > > they will revel in people writing third party utils for their > > product ... > > but no one determines what goes on with their product but > > them ... To you > > a bleak world, to me .. makes perfect sense and no one that > > wrote a third > > party utility, runs a free server .. whatever ... should > > expect anything in > > return for their efforts and time put in ... > > > > I have written countless utilities in support of software and never > > received anything from it but the satisfaction of little > > utilities I wrote > > running on computers all over the world ... I thought that was awesome > > myself ... but I never expected anything in return from the > > author of the > > program ... When he made changes, I had to adjust ... I > > didn't tell him > > what to code ... I thought my utils were flashier and better > > than some he > > wrote for his software ... Fact of the matter is, his worked > > .. plain jane > > ... Same applies to VALVe .. their software works as is ... > > > > >If this is truely your beliefs, I hope you never have > > kids...or ones that > > >follow your advise...society would be a better place without > > them... =\ > > > > I have 2 kids, and another due any day (actually could be any > > minute) ... I > > am old .. I am wise .. ignore me ... > > > > >HoundDawg > > >http://www.phpGamingSite.com > > >http://www.unitedadmins.com > > >http://www.unitedadmins.com/hlbp > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "HL Server" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:00 AM > > >Subject: Re: PB no more..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:48 AM 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >If you need more enlightenment from PB's side, go through their > > > > >forums....even start with this topic: > > > > > > > > ><http://www.crimeprev.org/mat/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=3bb17dfa6bf6fff > f;>act=ST;f=12;t=1694>http://www.crimeprev.org/mat/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s >= > >3bb17dfa6bf6ffff;act=ST;f=12;t=1694 > > > > > > This forum is a great read ... I think everyone that's interested in PB > > > should read it ... > > > > > > I also think it's a hoot all you "pretend" software developers are >giving > > > VALVe poop about a product that has successfully sold millions of copies > > > (and probably bootlegged as many) ... > > > > > > They didn't ask any one of you to set to code any additional utilities >for > > > their program ... They didn't stop you either ... Anything outside of > >VALVe > > > is volunteer work ... I'm sure they appreciate it and recognize it, but >I > > > don't think it's going to sway any of their decisions in the way their > > > program will go ... VALVe makes a change, it's up to the volunteers to > > > change their utility ... not the other way around ... > > > > > > And another thing I got out of that forum ... It takes 12-24 hours to >hack > > > new patches of HL, but only 10-15 minutes to avert PB ... As I stated >in > >a > > > previous message, I have run PB with the false sense of security that > > > people were not cheating on my servers ... This has been a false sense >of > > > security ... PB simply doesn't work, confirmed. It's not like this is a > > > new hack either ... It's not like it's one they don't know about either > > > ... Publicly distributed, named and accessible ... > > > > > > I think the only thing that need be done is for VALVe to decide someday, > > > "Hey, you know, we ought to stamp out the ability to cheat with our > > > program." and from then on it will be history ... VALVe didn't ask Tony > > > Ray to spend every waking moment away from work and family to develop PB > > > ... Tony Ray should expect nothing in return ... > > > > > > If VALVe thought it was worth it to work with him on a project to stop > > > cheating, they would have done it by now ... Now PB is going corporate > >with > > > a product that is easily averted, he has distanced himself even further > > > from any "community" here in my opinion ... I think VALVe is perfectly > > > capable of accomplishing all of this on their own ... I think as a >result > > > of this, you will see security implemented in VALVe's stuff, and the >death > > > of PB ... Not the other way around ... > > > > > > Tony has leaked info of "PB approved" stamps on games coming out .. blah > > > blah ... I think it was smoke to up the price ... this is just my >opinion > >... > > > > > > Anyway ... play devil's advocate, and really think about this ... Don't >go > > > on your stance or hearsay ... evaluate the facts ... > > > > > > > > > > > >
