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> Anyway ... play devil's advocate, and really think about this ... Don't go > on your stance or hearsay ... evaluate the facts ... The problem is we don't have all the facts. That's what we're asking for. What is Valve's reason for not sending a response to all the 1000's of emails to this list regarding this issue? What is Valve's position? This is all we want to know. BTW. What is the last product Valve made any money on? Is Valve going under? Do they have cash flow? Do they have new product in the pipe? How many people at Valve still work on HL/HLDS code fixing and new features? Is HL retail revenue funding this continuing work? If not, where is the money coming from? Maybe I'm in the dark as I don't read the gaming press, but has Valve published or sold a new product since HL, besides revenue from retail CS? StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak www.hardwarefreak.devastation.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: HL Server [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:00 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: PB no more..... > > > > At 07:48 AM 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >If you need more enlightenment from PB's side, go through their > >forums....even start with this topic: > ><http://www.crimeprev.org/mat/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=3bb > 17dfa6bf6ffff;act=ST;f=12;t=1694>http://www.crimeprev.org/mat/ > cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=3bb17dfa6bf6ffff;act=ST;f=12;t=1694 > > This forum is a great read ... I think everyone that's > interested in PB > should read it ... > > I also think it's a hoot all you "pretend" software > developers are giving > VALVe poop about a product that has successfully sold > millions of copies > (and probably bootlegged as many) ... > > They didn't ask any one of you to set to code any additional > utilities for > their program ... They didn't stop you either ... Anything > outside of VALVe > is volunteer work ... I'm sure they appreciate it and > recognize it, but I > don't think it's going to sway any of their decisions in the way their > program will go ... VALVe makes a change, it's up to the > volunteers to > change their utility ... not the other way around ... > > And another thing I got out of that forum ... It takes 12-24 > hours to hack > new patches of HL, but only 10-15 minutes to avert PB ... As > I stated in a > previous message, I have run PB with the false sense of security that > people were not cheating on my servers ... This has been a > false sense of > security ... PB simply doesn't work, confirmed. It's not > like this is a > new hack either ... It's not like it's one they don't know > about either > ... Publicly distributed, named and accessible ... > > I think the only thing that need be done is for VALVe to > decide someday, > "Hey, you know, we ought to stamp out the ability to cheat with our > program." and from then on it will be history ... VALVe > didn't ask Tony > Ray to spend every waking moment away from work and family to > develop PB > ... Tony Ray should expect nothing in return ... > > If VALVe thought it was worth it to work with him on a project to stop > cheating, they would have done it by now ... Now PB is going > corporate with > a product that is easily averted, he has distanced himself > even further > from any "community" here in my opinion ... I think VALVe is perfectly > capable of accomplishing all of this on their own ... I > think as a result > of this, you will see security implemented in VALVe's stuff, > and the death > of PB ... Not the other way around ... > > Tony has leaked info of "PB approved" stamps on games coming > out .. blah > blah ... I think it was smoke to up the price ... this is > just my opinion ... > > Anyway ... play devil's advocate, and really think about this > ... Don't go > on your stance or hearsay ... evaluate the facts ... > >
