What a swell guy! I might as well add to this.
Valve, if you are so confident in the two tab system, unleash it to CS:S and hire a team of people to moderate the list and force custom CS:S servers to the custom tab. (or some automated way of detecting game play plug-ins) Watch the outrage then. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Hilding Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:27 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab FUCK FACE STOP WRITE> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:20:11 -0400> Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab> > "I would thank you to keep this civil and not put words in my mouth. I> merely pointed out a possible flaw in your logic on this."> > Well, if the tabs system is advanced, there probably won't be custom servers> to go to in 6 months.> > Servers need traffic to survive. If a player would like to filter me out,> that's fine with me. But that should only be if the player filters me out> with the filter options.> > If all of the servers showed up on one tab, and had the filtering options> available from the custom tab, tags being on the server queries would> attract players. And players who don't care can still see my server> (although they can see it has tags).> > I want players who want custom servers, to be able to find me.> I want players who want standard servers, to be able to filter me out.> - We don't want these players! They just disconnect anyway!> I want players who do not care, to be able to see my server and make a> decision based on the tags my server has on it.> > That's all we want.> > "So what's to stop you (or someone else) from constantly hitting refresh on> either side to artificially increase the "score"? If you doubt that someone> would do this, look at the game "Progress Quest" "> > I have made the page show query spammers. These are usually> game-monitor/gamespy/myspace (wtf?!) If I see a single IP with hundreds of> queries and it's a player who is trying to stain the stats I can remove> them.> > I made two brand new servers for this experiment, so the servers are not> really public and they are named something random.> > "What time of the day was this taken? What was the date? I suspect if it was> 4am on easter night... You may have a point. :)"> > 2PM EST> > -----Original Message-----> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:53 AM> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list> Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab> > What time of the day was this taken? What was the date? I suspect if it > was 4am on easter night... You may have a point. :)> > > > Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:> > "I know of a few great servers that continue to stay packed 24/7> > despite being on the Custom tab. "> > > > http://www.voogru.com/images/customtab.jpg> > > > The only full server is an illegal nosteam server. This screenshot was> taken> > yesterday.> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Eid> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:31 AM> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab> > > > I wonder what the stats would look like if server admins played by the> > rules? I know of a few great servers that continue to stay packed 24/7> > despite being on the Custom tab. I'm sure people have added them into> their> > Favorites as I have, but I play them constantly and see new players all> the> > time. They have to be getting in somehow and I think that somehow is the> > Custom tab.> > > > So while everyone is forcing themselves to the overcrowded Internet tab,> > these couple of servers are getting the prime spotlight being the few that> > are atop the Custom list full with players.> > > > You all should try a "Custom tab week" whereby you all move your Custom> > servers to the correct place for a week and see how it goes.> > > > Once everyone plays by the rules, I think the system would work much> better.> > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Leonard L. Church> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:> > > >> Perhaps there is another possible reason.> >>> >> 1) Perhaps people are not interested in custom servers as much as you> >> may think.> >> 2) Perhaps people don't move to the custom tag because most all of the> >> custom servers are in the internet tab currently.> >> 3) Your test environment is flawed. When the game starts up and you> >> click on "find servers", it defaults to the internet tab. This means if> >> someone wants to go to the custom tab, they HAVE to go to the internet> >> tab as well. Please delete the total of the custom queries from the> >> internet total. Then, what about refreshes? Are you only allowing 1 hit> >> from a specific IP within a certain timeframe? What is that timeframe?> >> If not, why do you allow refreshes to count on either tab?> >>> >> Not trying to say it isn't revealing what your page shows... Just saying> >> that it may not be revealing what you expect.> >>> >> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:> >> > Yesterday I decided to do an experiment.> >> >> >> > I have made 2 experimental servers. These servers are brand new and> >> have> >> > never been played on. They will not be in anyone's favorites or HLSW> >> viewer.> >> > They are not real servers and will not accept incoming connections.> >> >> >> > One of the servers is on the Internet Tab. The other one is on the> >> Custom> >> > Tab.> >> >> >> > Since the out of game server browser does not have a Custom Tab, all> >> servers> >> > are displayed on that. Since I really only want to count the queries> >> made by> >> > the in-game browser so I am filtering out queries if someone queries> >> both> >> > servers at the same exact time, some can leak through but I don't> >> think that> >> > will affect the stats too much.> >> >> >> > http://www.voogru.com/server/queries.php> >> >> >> > This page is in real time and can be refreshed to receive instant> >> updates.> >> >> >> > At of the time of this writing, the custom tab servers receive about> >> a 90%> >> > reduction in queries, even after players have had the little message> >> > explaining the custom tab.> >> >> >> > I wish I would have started this experiment sooner.> >> >> >> > - voogru.> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list> >> archives, please visit:> >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> >> please visit:> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >>> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> please visit:> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _________________________________________________________________ Trött på krångliga mejladresser? 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