"We already discussed why your numbers are off. Your 90% I assume is coming from your stats page."
I can never win can I? First they say "You don't have proof" So I take the effort to collect proof. Then they say "Your proof is flawed" If my proof is flawed, run your own experiment to counter mine. I make my proof available and easy to access. "Why? I thought you didn't want indifferent players?" I don't want players on my server who dislike fast respawn, or dislike 30 player servers. My server shows up as a 30 player server, so players who don't like 30 player servers, probably won't join it. My servers have "fast respawn" in the hostname, so players who don't like fast respawn, probably won't join it. The indifferent players, just want to play. I want those players to see my server. If they see my server hostname, and decide to play on it, they know what they are getting into because my servers hostname is being used in place of the tagging system. My servers still fill up even with the hostname/maxplayers screaming out what I have changed. Now if I do the same thing but go one tab over, suddenly my server dies. I don't have players joining my servers complaining "OMGWTF this is fast respawn! Lame! I'm leaving!". "So what is your standard? That was the question. If it shows up 20 times.. Is that to much? 10? 5? 50? What about timespan? I admit, it's an extreme case, but what if I'm one of the few people online at 3am and I refresh a few times. Does that remove me from the list because you see more then 1 in a row?" 100 queries = reported on page. These numbers are still used in the overall totals. This number may be increased as the experiment goes on. The only queries I ignore are if both servers are queried at the same exact time. If that is the case the person used the out of game steam browser. I blatantly report that on the page indicating that I am removing that number from the totals. "I believe they said that in a previous email." They said if server admins try to bypass the tags, I took this as forcefully removing tags. Not just failing to report custom mods. It would be unfair for an admin unaware of the whole issue to be delisted because of it. Can you imagine the manpower needed to moderate the server list? Does valve really want to deal with finding 'custom' servers on the internet tab and delisting people? Don't they have better things to do? - voogru. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:08 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: > "That is fair as well. What you are missing however is that they CAN see > it. Just not in the default list." > > 90% of players do not click the custom tab, therefore, they will not see my > server. We already discussed why your numbers are off. Your 90% I assume is coming from your stats page. > "It's fair for valve to ask that indifferent players play their first > game on vanilla servers. It's also fair to set the default to vanilla as > well (better base of players to balance maps and such)." > > Let players decide what they want to play. Show them all of the servers at > once and have the tags visible. Hell, they can put a "custom" icon next to > custom servers that when a player hovers over it, it shows a list of tags. They do have that choice. I just don't think it's fair that people have populated the wrong tab, therefore, removing choice from those who don't want to play on custom servers. > What is important is that indifferent players see our servers! Why? I thought you didn't want indifferent players? > Don't forget, that custom game play mods that do not append tags will still > be on the internet list without the server admin doing anything. > > That server admin can either be ignorant about the tags, or decide not to > append the tags cause of the traffic issue. > > The resule? Custom servers can still appear in the internet list without > admins doing anything evil. That is a fault I will agree with you with. Server Admins who are blacklisted because of ignorance need to be able to fix the issue and be unblacklisted. > What if I add a grapple hook? Does valve tell me I have to use sv_tags? I believe they said that in a previous email. > "Ok. So by hand, you do this? What is your standard for determining if > someone is doing this?" > > Have you seen my queries page? > > http://www.voogru.com/server/queries.php Yes. I saw it. Hence why I am commenting on it. > If you query either of my servers over 100 times, your IP address will be up > top with how many times you have queried my server. So what is your standard? That was the question. If it shows up 20 times.. Is that to much? 10? 5? 50? What about timespan? I admit, it's an extreme case, but what if I'm one of the few people online at 3am and I refresh a few times. Does that remove me from the list because you see more then 1 in a row? Without rules on what you consider "spamming", you are appearing to say, "Whatever I want to consider spamming, I will and remove those results". This is not a proper way to conduct this sort of test. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
