"That is fair as well. What you are missing however is that they CAN see it. Just not in the default list."
90% of players do not click the custom tab, therefore, they will not see my server. "It's fair for valve to ask that indifferent players play their first game on vanilla servers. It's also fair to set the default to vanilla as well (better base of players to balance maps and such)." Let players decide what they want to play. Show them all of the servers at once and have the tags visible. Hell, they can put a "custom" icon next to custom servers that when a player hovers over it, it shows a list of tags. What is important is that indifferent players see our servers! Don't forget, that custom game play mods that do not append tags will still be on the internet list without the server admin doing anything. That server admin can either be ignorant about the tags, or decide not to append the tags cause of the traffic issue. The resule? Custom servers can still appear in the internet list without admins doing anything evil. What if I add a grapple hook? Does valve tell me I have to use sv_tags? "Ok. So by hand, you do this? What is your standard for determining if someone is doing this?" Have you seen my queries page? http://www.voogru.com/server/queries.php If you query either of my servers over 100 times, your IP address will be up top with how many times you have queried my server. I have used new IP addresses for the servers and I am trying to hide them in the list to prevent someone from staining the stats either way. - voogru. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:36 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: > "I would thank you to keep this civil and not put words in my mouth. I > merely pointed out a possible flaw in your logic on this." > > Well, if the tabs system is advanced, there probably won't be custom servers > to go to in 6 months. There will always be custom servers as long as there are players who want it. I hereby make this promise. If, in 6 months, there is no more custom servers, I'll put my own up out of my own pocket. As many as needed to meet the demand. and I accept your apology. :) > I want players who want custom servers, to be able to find me. That is fair. > I want players who want standard servers, to be able to filter me out. > - We don't want these players! They just disconnect anyway! So is this. > I want players who do not care, to be able to see my server and make a > decision based on the tags my server has on it. That is fair as well. What you are missing however is that they CAN see it. Just not in the default list. It's fair for valve to ask that indifferent players play their first game on vanilla servers. It's also fair to set the default to vanilla as well (better base of players to balance maps and such). > That's all we want. That is fair and reasonable. All the points are already given to you. > "So what's to stop you (or someone else) from constantly hitting refresh on > either side to artificially increase the "score"? If you doubt that someone > would do this, look at the game "Progress Quest" " > > I have made the page show query spammers. These are usually > game-monitor/gamespy/myspace (wtf?!) If I see a single IP with hundreds of > queries and it's a player who is trying to stain the stats I can remove > them. Ok. So by hand, you do this? What is your standard for determining if someone is doing this? > "What time of the day was this taken? What was the date? I suspect if it was > 4am on easter night... You may have a point. :)" > > 2PM EST What day? I would assume Easter Sunday at 2pm is different then .. well.. today in 1 and a half hour. :) _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
