Find a cheaper hobby? ;) In that situation, I'd consider looking for donations, or renting out some servers to clans etc, should help to cover your costs to some degree, if not completely. Of course, if you're using a VS that runs like crap, that won't work, people won't play on your servers or want to rent one off of you.
Never wrote: > Well... actually, i am thinking about virtualization because the > cheapest dedicated server costs me $700 (Argentinian Pesos) > And a Virtual Server costs only $360. > > Considering i earn $900 monthly, its impossible for me paying the > dedicated server and also living :P > I cant pay $700 because hosting gameservers is not a work for me, its > just a hobbie... > > Also, i cant host in my own house because here in Argentina decent > internet connections are only in Buenos Aires center, and i am far from > there... > > Thanks > > > William Stillwell - KI4SWY escribió: > >> I maintain 8 16 core VMWare ESX Servers with IBM San Volume Controllers. >> Vmware ESX is ALSO based on Linux, the statement that "XEN" gets you closer >> to the hardware is no different the VMware ESX.. >> Honestly? I would not Virtualize a Server just to run multiple copies of >> SrcDS.. you can run them all on one O/S Installation.. >> You can have them listen on different IP Addresses, there is no point in >> splitting each instance up on a seperate "Virtual" machine., becuase then >> your adding the overhead of each vm's o/s, and the overhead of the host o/s.. >> and Vmware ESX isn't the cheapest thing either. >> Avoid GSX.. its for those CFO's who don't want to spend money. >> Workstation is AWESOME for testing stuff out on your local machine.. (you >> only limited to your workstation hardware). >> I would suggest you build a Quad Core Extreme box, 4 gigs of Ram, a small 5 >> disk SAS Array with an PCI-e Adapter 3805 Sas Controller, Install one copy >> of CentOS or whateever flavor of Linux. Set on Nic up for Managmenet (SSH >> connection), and use a second nic to host the games on, (no ssh).. >> You should also setup a web server for the content downloads (custom maps, >> etc). >> I Strongly suggest not wasting time on any virtulazation platform unless your >> 1) Employer or Someone you know already has a ton of Virtualization >> Enviroments, and is Offering you a space on there servers. >> 2) You plan on hosting a ton of servers, and have different people have >> access to them (which still can be done using 1 machine, no virtual >> enviroment) >> Virtualization is Great for any "M$ hosted enviroment" that require mission >> critical uptime.. if a server fails, you have ZERO headaches when it comes >> to getting them back on line, you ever do a Bare Metal Restore of a Windows >> Server? I will see you tommorrow, haha.. With Virtualization, it takes less >> then 30 minutes to completly build an ESX Server from Scratch.. (Provided >> you had the hardware).. if already had the hardware, it probably already had >> a copy of ESX on it, then it takes a mater of seconds to boot your VM Image >> on the other server, its just a point and click, and online you go.. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Never" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent 10/9/2008 1:09:33 PM >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] HLDS ConsumptionThink that virtualization is one of the >> most quick growing technology. >> Also, my provider does not use VMWare... They use XEN, it has a >> significant difference in performance because it uses a modified linux >> kernel to work, and it get virtual machines closer to the hardware than >> any other virtualization system... >> I will give it a try... They are offering me a free month to test it, >> and i will choose the most expensive plan, with high CPU priority (Its a >> powerfull Xeon Quad Core), 2GB ram, 300 GB Monthly transference, 4 Mbit >> national and 4 Mbit international bandwidth, and 150 GB hard disk that >> i wont use. >> If it works i will find some way to pay it... Maybe selling the free >> disk space to somewone who wants to resell webhosting... >> I will try to host 4 or 5 gameservers there, if it works fine you will >> be the first i'll tell :). >> Anyway, its free for 1 month :D >> Thanks >> Germán >> Midnight escribió: >> >> >>> From the Datacenter's perspective, they generally oversell the hardware >>> that runs the Virtual (VPS) servers, meaning they do not anticipate each >>> of those VPS instances to use gobs of CPU as they would if running any >>> game servers. I have seen several Datacenters that state plainly in >>> their terms of service that if your VPS is using more than its fair >>> share of CPU power they will ask you to upgrade to a dedicated box. >>> Your provider may differ on this but that's a general rule of thumb that >>> I have seen. You might want to tell them what you will be running on it >>> and see what they say before going with it and finding out later they >>> are pulling the plug on your servers. >>> >>> While it is possible to run servers on a Vitual machine setup, you will >>> use more CPU and get less performance out of a VPS. If you think of a >>> VPS as like 1/2 to 1/3 the power of a low end Celeron dedicated box, >>> that's probably the amount of load you would want to run on it at >>> maximum, otherwise you might as well be on a dedicated server. Granted >>> these VPS's can span multiple high end CPUs but they are not really >>> intended to utilize them all on a consistent basis. >>> >>> I can't talk to Linux VPS's but I once ran 2 VMWare server instances on >>> Windows. (When UT3 came out it would only install on XP so that is what >>> we had to use at the time). Each instance of VMWare had one UT3 server >>> installed with the number of player slots not too large (10-16) and used >>> about 35% of a Core2 Duo 6600, so you could only really run 2 of them on >>> that dedicated box. Without VMWare you could run about 10 game servers >>> on that hardware no problem. (Less if you are talking high FPS servers >>> such as 500-1000FPS CSS servers.) I really would not recommend that on >>> a Virtual server, high end dedicated boxes have a hard enough time >>> keeping up with those rates. If you want to run lower speed 33 tick >>> 100FPS settings then you might be able to get away with it, but it is >>> not really the recommended way to go. >>> >>> I will look forward to see what Saint K has to say, feel free to >>> surprise us. >>> >>> >>> >>> Saint K. wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I can shed some light on that after the weekend. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:13 AM >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] HLDS Consumption >>>> >>>> There was a discussion about this not too long ago. the general consensus >>>> was that virtual servers were not a good choice to run game servers on. >>>> >>>> I know Saint K was going to do some testing in a VS and post some numbers >>>> but we haven't heard back from him yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> They offered me a virtual server... Will it work? >>>>> They said me that i can test the server 30 days free... >>>>> But i think it will not work... ¿What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Did you get hit by their huge fire before? >>>>>> >>>>>> @never: that does sound sucky. I have quite a few SA friends so I've >>>>>> heard how tough it is in places. Wishing u luck. >>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Robert Whelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:54:41 >>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing >>>>>> list<[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] HLDS Consumption >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> dunno what your idea of expensive is though I hate paying the middle m >>>>>> >>>>>> >> an >> >> >>>>>> (gamehosting services). I rent directly and run what I want, when I >>>>>> want... >>>>>> >>>>>> Do some shopping... http://www.theplanet.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been using them for years.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>> From: Never <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 1:21:44 PM >>>>>> Subject: [hlds] HLDS Consumption >>>>>> >>>>>> I know this is a typical question. >>>>>> I am planning to leave my gamehosting provider and get a dedicated >>>>>> server. 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