It's not pointless. It shows Valve how serious this problem really is. Honestly, at this point ANY email relating to this topic is helpful to show Valve that this bug needs to be fixed post haste - spam complaint or not.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregory Matherne Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:27 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Time out at map change Yes it is annoying no doubts there, but just spamming the list with "Wow this sucks" is pointless. I do run servers and yeah, its a major issue but it doesn't seem as if anyone here can figure anything more than that it is random and clears the server. If you have new info about it great, post it, but right now every one of us is aware of the issue, you saying that it sucks adds nothing new to the conversation. So please stop spamming the list with it. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 6:37 PM, SakeFox <[email protected]> wrote: > What is spam to one person may not be spam to another. While you find > the discussion of a valid bug in the system to be spam there are several > of us that don't. While you think its just a joke its fine and not spam > there are several that think that it's still spam. If jokes are allowed > then maybe we should start joking about this bug and then it will be ok > to talk about because it's just a joke. > > This topic as been completely pulled away from the person that started > it and filled with BS spam. I am not going to reply back to this thread > so if you feel that you need to get the last word in feel free. I'll > leave the door open for you. > > msleeper wrote: > > Wait, what? I think you have me confused with someone else - I have said > > that the mailing list is NOT a Valve support line, it is for server > > admins to help eachother. > > > > I'd really suggest taking a break from whatever it is you're doing if a > > little joke about TCP/IP fun gets you in a twist. You should probably > > take it easy. > > > > > > On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 17:50 -0500, SakeFox wrote: > > > >> This coming from the person that states that the mailing list is for > >> support and not spam then a hour later spams the list with jokes about > >> irc clients. > >> > >> everyone seems to have a opinion for everyone else, but it never applies > >> to them self. > >> > >> Now this was stupid personal attacks and is spam. > >> > >> msleeper wrote: > >> > >>> If people kept their opinions to themselves about what should or should > >>> not be SPAMMED here, then all we would have to read is the same 3 or 4 > >>> people complaining about the same single error that everyone has known > >>> about for weeks. I seriously think some of you have problems with short > >>> term memory with how often you type the exact same emails about the > >>> exact same problem. > >>> > >>> Valve has said they are aware of the problem, they are going to fix it, > >>> and they do not have a time table. What more do you want? Rather, what > >>> more insight have they ever provided or given when there was a known > >>> issue? It's not their place to keep us up-to-date with their daily > >>> tasks. Personally I would rather them work on fixing the problem, then > >>> spending an hour or two a day answering every single bitch and moan > that > >>> gets pasted here. But maybe that's just me. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 17:28 -0500, SakeFox wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> "To help them help each other we have set up some mailing lists that > >>>> provide a forum for server administrators and MOD programmers to > discuss > >>>> issues that pertain to running a /Half-Life/ dedicated server or > >>>> creating a /Half-Life/ MOD." > >>>> > >>>> This time out bug is a issue with the DS and in so is a valid topic to > >>>> be talking about. > >>>> > >>>> on another note, if you don't like a topic that is being discussed > >>>> please don't post on it. You complaining on makes it worse and you are > >>>> causing your own issues. If people would just keep there own opinions > to > >>>> them selfs on what should and should not be allowed on here issues > like > >>>> this wouldn't be a problem. > >>>> > >>>> Evan Kaufman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> You are missing the forest for the trees, Karl. Valve is not > >>>>> responding to your constant bitching here, yet several of us are by > >>>>> telling you that this is not the place for it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Valve doesn't use this list on a regular basis, but we do. You are > in > >>>>> effect NOT bitching at Valve, but bitching instead at us. > >>>>> > >>>>> We do not have the power to fix this bug. Valve does. Bitch to > them. > >>>>> Go to valvesoftware.com, click "Contact", and go from there. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Please post the Mailing List FAQ that states all this. Until then, I > think you're going to have to live with it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At this point, the sheer number of people experiencing it > (everybody) is cause for alarm. Thus far I have found no workarounds, but > it's certainly not from a lack of trying. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Evan Kaufman > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:02 PM > >>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Time out at map change > >>>>>> > >>>>>> <unlurk> > >>>>>> Agreed, it is a serious bug, and they are clearly aware of it and of > >>>>>> how upset people are about it. The point remains that THIS IS NOT > THE > >>>>>> PLACE FOR COMPLAINTS. This is the place to: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1) Gather or inquire technical details of said bug > >>>>>> 2) Share and discuss any work-arounds for said bug > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Airing of grievances belongs on forums and blogs and Valve's > customer > >>>>>> support channels, not on a mailing list for independent server > >>>>>> operators. > >>>>>> <lurk> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Karl Weckstrom < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I second Patrick. It *IS* annoying. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you're a server admin that cares about the experience of the > player, then how can you not find this annoying? How can you not be > frustrated? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm at wits end with this bug. I still fail to see how Valve could > have let such an egregious error slip by them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Maybe you don't run any TF2, DOD:S or L4D servers? > >>>>>>> Maybe you do and you don't really care about your players? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To be honest, I don't care what your reasoning is. This is a > serious problem that's getting lots of airtime here. And until the server > operators get some satisfaction from Valve, expect it to continue. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- -Greg Matherne _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
