If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass.
You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your "cause", especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay > between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what > is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: > > Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or > > wait... No, I won't. > > Have fun with an empty server. > > > > Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... > > > > msleeper schrieb: > > > I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone > > > who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out > > > there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is > > > step one. > > > > > > I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last > > > night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and > > > stopped. > > > > > > The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 > > > My publicly available list of farmers is here: > > > http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html > > > > > > I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions > > > about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, > > > but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. > > > > > > > > > Sent from my honeypot > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
