Stupid. Idea. Regards
Yatin On 25 Feb 2009, at 22:24, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > The banlist isn't private. I have them all listed below, and if anyone > wants the full banlist in SQL format, email me privately off-list and > I'll happily give it out. > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 23:17 +0100, MeZelf wrote: >> If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ >> servers >> than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. >> But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban >> list it >> produces just to yourselves. >> Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put >> your list >> up for usage on other servers. >> >> I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for >> example. >> Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. >> I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too.... took me about 3 days (8 >> hours in >> total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer >> to the >> 1.000.000 healing/fire. >> Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there >> are about >> 134 to earn. >> >> PS "Sent from my honeypot" >> That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like >> the >> plague ~_^ >> >> MeZelf >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex >> Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot >> >> good job msleeper >> >> good idea. keep working on it >> >> 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon <[email protected]> >> >>> Ok good, that means I can say >>> >>> You're the worst server admin ever. >>> >>> >>> And not have to follow up. >>> >>> >>> On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: >>> >>>> I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are >>>> numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone >>>> is >>>> being complacent about it. >>>> >>>> Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the >>>> definition: >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)<http:// >>>> en.wikipedi >>>> a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29> >>>> >>>> The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other >>>> achievement server, to make farmers feel "safe" by joining it. >>>> >>>> I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: >>>>> If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then >>>>> being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, >>>>> selfish ass. >>>>> >>>>> You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm >>>>> achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / >>>>> simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress >>>>> towards others) before being banned. >>>>> >>>>> You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many >>>>> achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a >>>>> little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another >>>>> server afterward, etc.). >>>>> >>>>> You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a >>>>> public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many >>>>> other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 >>>>> bans. >>>>> The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list >>>>> because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to >>>>> import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/ >>>>> sourcemod >>>>> with sql/etc.). >>>>> >>>>> You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a >>>>> certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your >>>>> "cause", especially with the way you are doing things. Simply >>>>> setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far >>>>> more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. >>>>> >>>>> The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock >>>>> than to grind for achievements. >>>>> I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and >>>>> whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force >>>>> grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact >>>>> that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players >>>>> playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people >>>>> feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, >>>>> and >>>>> the Ubersaw. >>>>> >>>>> It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how >>>>> people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on >>>>> your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing >>>>> an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be >>>>> farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, >>>>> hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community >>>>> (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them >>>>> (selfish). >>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot >>>>>> >>>>>> My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a >>>>>> delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers >>>>>> don't >>>>>> know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other >>>>>> farming >>>>>> server. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: >>>>>>> Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming >>>>>>> server... Or wait... No, I won't. >>>>>>> Have fun with an empty server. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming >>>>>>> server... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> msleeper schrieb: >>>>>>>> I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will >>>>>>>> autoban >>>>>>>> anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any >>>>>>>> other admins out there who think that complacency towards >>>>>>>> farming needs to end, this is step one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came >>>>>>>> out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have >>>>>>>> been caught and stopped. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The plugin is here: >>> http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 >>>>>>>> My publicly available list of farmers is here: >>>>>>>> http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal >>>>>>>> opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting >>>>>>>> farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always >>>>>>>> join >>>>>>>> IRC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my honeypot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
