I'd use this plugin if it banned people randomly. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Blood Letter <bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> > "I'm not pushing my beliefs or tactics on anyone" > > Really? > > "Achievement Farmers: Be Warned! Server admins are fighting back! > You can help STOP achievement farming! > > Until Valve can find a way to stop those who belittle the meaning > and purpose of Achievement and Unlockables, you can do something to > stop them! > > Achievement farming ruins the integrity, the purpose, of > achievements. The word achievement doesn't mean "dick around in a map > for 45 minutes and earn unlockables", and since Valve has yet to take a > step towards stopping those who belittle the work and dedication of > others, I have. > > Download the SourceMod plugin here. > > Take Back Team Fortress! > > These are known achievement farmers! Ban them NOW!" > > > You admit that joining the server running that map isn't wrong, yet you > don't realize that some people will join and inadvertently earn an > achievement? You don't realize that by setting the threshold of "wrong" to > "earning an achievement on an achievement server" your honeypot is > functioning just as any other achievement server? > > You claim over 2000 bans. I say you've aided and abetted in the farming of > over 2000 achievements. You're a tool. > > > > > > > > > From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:17:32 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > > > I wait for people to earn achievements before having them banned, > > because you're right, joining the map isn't doing anything wrong. > > Earning achievements on an achievement farming map on the other hand... > > > > I don't understand your comment about fake clients. My opinion of that > > is well known and I anxiously await the patch which will rid the world > > of fake clients. > > > > I'm not pushing my beliefs or tactics on anyone, and I'm not trying to > > force anyone to setup a honeypot server. If people want to follow my > > lead though, I am giving everyone the tools necessary to do so. And yes, > > I think every single 2100+ and counting people deserve to be banned. > > They cheated the system. > > > > Once again, if you want to continue this, I am on IRC and am happy to > > argue there. I'll go ahead and copy this over to AlliedModders since you > > want to bring it there too. > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 15:05 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > > Your honeypot is more about you feeling like you have control than it > is about bettering the community or "taking a stand". > > > > > > I am not missing the point of a honeypot. I am a degree-wielding > computer scientist, I know full well what a honeypot is. > > > I also know that actual honeypots are looked down upon in the security > sector and are pretty much useless (legally) when it comes to actually > following through and taking action. They are a useful approach in terms of > improving security (through statistical research), but since you're not > Valve you're not really going to improve the core problem, are you? > > > > > > It's obvious you haven't thought things through. > > > You state (I believe it was in your A-M thread) that the only reason > people join servers running achievement maps is to farm. > > > > > > This is an incorrect assumption, but, even taking it to be true: > > > > > > -Why wait for people to earn an achievement before banning them? Just > ban them on join. > > > --The answer is because you want it to be full so you can get more to > join and thus ban more. > > > > > > -So why not just report false clients? Perhaps Dan from Circle-X can > help you out. He posts here. Though he still maintains that their servers > are vanilla and absolutely don't report fake clients have fast respawns or > shuffle you off to other servers. > > > --The answer is because you actually want to toy with people and then > deny them things. You enjoy wielding your power, and you will do so > arbitrarily and with an inflated sense of self-righteousness. You are the > worst kind of admin. You are as much of a problem to TF2 as the farmers, > griefers, and exploiters. > > > > > > As to why your assumption is incorrect: > > > > > > Many people will simply join an achievement box to meet up with friends > (right click friend, view game info, join!). > > > Many people will simply join a server based on ping and player count, > and not the map. > > > Many people will not know what an achievement box map is, or that is > considered a bad thing. > > > > > > If your argument is that people should know better, then I'd like to > ask you about all the NEW players that will be playing TF2. If a free > weekend is upon us, then there will be a lot of new players. Should someone > be banned from your servers just because they joined your honeypot? Should > they be banned from other servers who have picked up your list? > > > > > > Apparently you think it is an acceptable price to pay for maintaining > what you think is a desirable decorum and behavior among your players. > That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to push your beliefs on others, > or you calling these people cheaters, detrimental, or other such things for > having a differing opinion about how to play a game. If you had your way, > those players would be banned from TF2 entirely. You are actively trying to > spread your list of over 2000 bans. Do you really think that all those > people deserve to be banned? (Yes, you do: "These are known achievement > farmers! Ban them NOW!") > > > > > > What you claim is dubious. Your intentions are not noble. Your > methods are detrimental to TF2 as a whole. > > > I will be looking for and joining your honeypot, then earning some > achievement, so I never have to deal with your servers. > > > > > > > > > > From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0500 > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > > > > > > > I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are > numb > > > > to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being > > > > complacent about it. > > > > > > > > Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the > definition: > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29> > > > > > > > > The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other > > > > achievement server, to make farmers feel "safe" by joining it. > > > > > > > > I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > > > > If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then > being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. > > > > > > > > > > You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm > achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous > achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before > being banned. > > > > > > > > > > You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many > achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less > due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, > etc.). > > > > > > > > > > You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a > public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other > admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast > majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never > be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers > are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). > > > > > > > > > > You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a > certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your "cause", > especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another > server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 > community as a whole. > > > > > > > > > > The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock > than to grind for achievements. > > > > > I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and > whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, > or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is > intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the > face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that > extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. > > > > > > > > > > It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how > people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers > is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server > which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers > (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the > TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them > (selfish). > > > > > > > > > > > From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > > > > > > > > > > > My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a > delay > > > > > > between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know > what > > > > > > is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: > > > > > > > Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming > server... Or > > > > > > > wait... No, I won't. > > > > > > > Have fun with an empty server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming > server... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > msleeper schrieb: > > > > > > > > I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will > autoban anyone > > > > > > > > who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other > admins out > > > > > > > > there who think that complacency towards farming needs to > end, this is > > > > > > > > step one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been running this since the moment the Scout update > came out last > > > > > > > > night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been > caught and > > > > > > > > stopped. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The plugin is here: > http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 > > > > > > > > My publicly available list of farmers is here: > > > > > > > > http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with > personal opinions > > > > > > > > about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting > farmers is wrong, > > > > > > > > but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my honeypot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > > > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. > > > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. > > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _________________________________________________________________ > It’s the same Hotmail®. 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