msleeper, who died and made you valve. I believe the game creators are fully capable of limiting farming if they really felt it was needed. As reputable as you may think you are, who in their right mind would trust of a list of bans from some guy on the internet, for all we know you are distributing a banlist of people whom you have some kind of personal conflict with.
This plugin is a joke, baiting people to a server to simply ban them is ludicrous, you are the definition of an a-hole admin who thinks running servers makes them god. In my opinion it seems just as reasonable that your servers, and any other communities that run plugins like this should themselves be blacklisted. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Chris Oryschak <[email protected]> wrote: > "I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks." > > lol. In previous threads this is you. Tables turned and don't like it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:45 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb > to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being > complacent about it. > > Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) > > The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other > achievement server, to make farmers feel "safe" by joining it. > > I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being > banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. > > > > You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm > achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous > achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before > being banned. > > > > You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many > achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less > due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, > etc.). > > > > You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public > list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would > be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of > servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of > the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT > running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). > > > > You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain > way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your "cause", > especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another > server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 > community as a whole. > > > > The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than > to grind for achievements. > > I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and > whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, > or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is > intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the > face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that > extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. > > > > It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people > enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is > fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server > which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers > (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the > TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them > (selfish). > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > > > > > My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay > > > between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what > > > is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: > > > > Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... > Or > > > > wait... No, I won't. > > > > Have fun with an empty server. > > > > > > > > Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... > > > > > > > > msleeper schrieb: > > > > > I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban > anyone > > > > > who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other > admins out > > > > > there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this > is > > > > > step one. > > > > > > > > > > I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out > last > > > > > night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught > and > > > > > stopped. > > > > > > > > > > The plugin is here: > http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 > > > > > My publicly available list of farmers is here: > > > > > http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html > > > > > > > > > > I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal > opinions > > > > > about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is > wrong, > > > > > but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my honeypot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. > > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
