I have a locked server set up for our community to farm achievements. We have 2 pub servers and I would rather have them get the farming out of the way. I hate to see 18 scouts on a 24 man server and the other players not enjoying the game.
It's your servers msleeper, but I see that as baiting and petty and really kind of useless to ban that many players, especially if you are trying to promote your servers. I would rather have players get the farming out of the way, than to come to our rotation pub servers and be of no value to the game play. I would probably never import any of your bans since it's being done in a just as dishonest way. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM, MeZelf <[email protected]> wrote: > If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers > than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. > But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it > produces just to yourselves. > Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your > list > up for usage on other servers. > > I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. > Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. > I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too.... took me about 3 days (8 hours > in > total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the > 1.000.000 healing/fire. > Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about > 134 to earn. > > PS "Sent from my honeypot" > That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the > plague ~_^ > > MeZelf > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex > Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > good job msleeper > > good idea. keep working on it > > 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon <[email protected]> > > > Ok good, that means I can say > > > > You're the worst server admin ever. > > > > > > And not have to follow up. > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: > > > > > I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are > > > numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is > > > being complacent about it. > > > > > > Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the > > > definition: > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29> > <http://en.wikipedi > > > a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29> > > > > > > The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other > > > achievement server, to make farmers feel "safe" by joining it. > > > > > > I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > >> If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then > > >> being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, > > >> selfish ass. > > >> > > >> You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm > > >> achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / > > >> simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress > > >> towards others) before being banned. > > >> > > >> You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many > > >> achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a > > >> little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another > > >> server afterward, etc.). > > >> > > >> You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a > > >> public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many > > >> other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. > > >> The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list > > >> because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to > > >> import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod > > >> with sql/etc.). > > >> > > >> You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a > > >> certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your > > >> "cause", especially with the way you are doing things. Simply > > >> setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far > > >> more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. > > >> > > >> The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock > > >> than to grind for achievements. > > >> I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and > > >> whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force > > >> grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact > > >> that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players > > >> playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people > > >> feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and > > >> the Ubersaw. > > >> > > >> It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how > > >> people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on > > >> your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing > > >> an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be > > >> farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, > > >> hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community > > >> (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). > > >> > > >>> From: [email protected] > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > > >>> > > >>> My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a > > >>> delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't > > >>> know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming > > >>> server. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: > > >>>> Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming > > >>>> server... Or wait... No, I won't. > > >>>> Have fun with an empty server. > > >>>> > > >>>> Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... > > >>>> > > >>>> msleeper schrieb: > > >>>>> I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban > > >>>>> anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any > > >>>>> other admins out there who think that complacency towards > > >>>>> farming needs to end, this is step one. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came > > >>>>> out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have > > >>>>> been caught and stopped. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The plugin is here: > > http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 > > >>>>> My publicly available list of farmers is here: > > >>>>> http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal > > >>>>> opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting > > >>>>> farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join > > >>>>> IRC. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sent from my honeypot > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
