Sadly this would remove the ability for people to run a server with plugins through their client. I've done this in the past to host a LAN game using a few plugins to play some of the gametypes people have created. While I agree something must be done, I don't really want to see that functionality going away.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:55 AM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: > Clients should never need any addons loaded. They can do just fine > without them too. Having any plugins installed on client can do huge > damage to servers so ability to run those on clients should be blocked. > Players game shouldnt even start if there are something within addons > folder on the pc or something else. Something that cannot be bypassed > within 1 second. If clients need plugins, they should be separate from > addons, like client-addons in which they could be used and not at all on > a server. > > The current way is ridiculous that a CLIENT can have same plugin as > SERVER and have free wallhack among other things. I seriously hope they > are working for a fix for this and for the several other exploits that > currently exist within the older CSS engine and the newer ones too. > > -ics > > 28.3.2010 22:50, Charles Mabbott kirjoitti: > > In a general sense, there are a couple of client side plug-ins that do in > > fact serve a valid purpose, POV-Recorder, the ESEA Client plug-in and a > > couple of others. At this point I am definitely for simply locking out > > plug-ins on the client side, but I would rather not lose some of the > > functionality these have. > > > > And on another note, the client plugin to intercept CVAR responses to the > > server has existed for quite a while now. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dominic > Marciano > > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:14 AM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Plugin Loading on clients, enough is enough. > > > > > > it takes someone to fall to their death before they put safety rails. > > > > > >> From: saul.renni...@gmail.com > >> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:56:39 +0100 > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Plugin Loading on clients, enough is enough. > >> > >> How about just allowing plugins for dedicated servers? > >> > >> Just as a heads up, I'm gonna try to make a client plugin which hooks > >> SVC_GetCvarValue, and just always responds with the default CVar value. > >> > > This > > > >> renders any server-side cheat detection (like KAC) completely useless. > >> Hopefully releasing it as a POC will force VALVe to do something (why > does > >> it always have to come to this?) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> - Saul. > >> > >> > >> On 28 March 2010 14:49, AnAkIn .<anakin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I don't think that's a good idea. Someone will just code a client side > >>> plugin to report false informations to the server. > >>> > >>> 2010/3/28 Keeper<hl2li...@afksoftware.com> > >>> > >>> > >>>> I have e-mailed somebody at valve, and simply asked them if the server > >>>> operators can see a list of plugins on the client ( like plugin_print > >>>> > > ). > > > >>>> This would give the operator the ability to kick if plugins are loaded > >>>> > > on > > > >>>> the client. But I think also looking at the GameBin will allow the > >>>> > >>> server > >>> > >>>> to see if they are loading anything outside of the standard VSP > >>>> > >>> interface. > >>> > >>>> I don't think stopping it will be completely possible on the client, > >>>> > > but > > > >>>> giving the server operator the choice would be a nice thing. > >>>> > >>>> But they did respond that they are working on it. > >>>> > >>>> Keeper > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Kyle Sanderson [mailto:kyle.l...@gmail.com] > >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:33 PM > >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list; Half-Life dedicated > >>>> Win32 > >>>> server mailing list > >>>> Subject: [hlds] Plugin Loading on clients, enough is enough. > >>>> > >>>> Since forever, players have been able to load plugins on their clients > >>>> letting them get around cheat sensitive variables such as sv_cheats, > >>>> allowing them to use r_drawothermodels, mat_wireframe, etc. We as > >>>> > > server > > > >>>> admins have had the option to install various anti cheat addons (Kigen > >>>> > >>> Anti > >>> > >>>> Cheat, VBAC, and than some rather lame ones for EventScripts) in order > >>>> > > to > > > >>>> get around these quite severe downfalls in the engine. However now, > >>>> > > there > > > >>>> is > >>>> a LUA scripting interface<http://www.3rdera.com/> that has been > >>>> > >>> written, > >>> > >>>> and is now fully supporting engine exploits in order to cause trouble > >>>> > > for > > > >>>> server admins and for other players. No one can justify it's use, > >>>> > > every > > > >>>> single script written has been made to get around server settings and > >>>> protections put in place to keep order, and to keep the game fluently > >>>> moving > >>>> along. Right now, players cannot be VAC banned for using this, it's > >>>> > > also > > > >>>> going against every single reason why VAC was created. Instead of > >>>> > >>> battling > >>> > >>>> these antics with these scripters, I'm begging you Valve to please > >>>> > > remove > > > >>>> this function from clients as there's absolutely no reason for them to > >>>> > >>> have > >>> > >>>> it. I've sent two emails to a couple employees which were left > >>>> > >>> unanswered, > >>> > >>>> I > >>>> know others have done the same. > >>>> > >>>> Here's a forum full of countless exploits: > >>>> http://www.3rdera.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=5 > >>>> > >>>> If you don't want to read the wall of text explaining why players > >>>> > > should > > > >>>> not > >>>> be allowed to load plugins, I'm sure your common sense on the issue > >>>> > > will > > > >>> be > >>> > >>>> more than sufficient to respond. > >>>> Kyle Sanderson. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> > > please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for a new home? 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