The problem is that all the 'is player visible' checks are really expensive - what if an arm is sticking out somewhere behind cover? You'd need to test alot of corner-cases taking this into account - i agree that valve should put in more sever side protection though - speedhacks can't be that hard to detect on the server side
2012/3/4 AnAkIn . <[email protected]>: > Actually the server should not send the positions of the players who > are not visible at all, this is what Anti Wallhack plugins do. > > 2012/3/4 hlds <[email protected]>: >> This. It's well within Valve's ability to put in server code that's as >> simple as; >> >> if (($playerone can't legally see $playertwo) && ($playerone killed >> $Playertwo)) then ban >> >> if ($player ismovingwaytoofuckingfast == $true) then ban >> >> I do not care how trusted the client must be, these are things than can and >> are not blocked by Valve on the server's side. >> >> >> >> >> On 3/4/2012 5:18 AM, AnAkIn . wrote: >>> >>> Speedhacks and wallhacks could be blocked with server side code if >>> Valve wanted to. >>> >>> 2012/3/4 Frank T. O'Connor<[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> The whole reason game hacking works to begin with is you have to trust >>>> the client. Everything you just listed can easily be intercepted at >>>> runtime, >>>> and dynamic spoofed values given. Also, you aren't allowed to use MS >>>> product >>>> keys for anything. They can't legally be used to track or identify people. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of AnAkIn . >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 5:29 AM >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Hackers on the rise >>>> >>>> Maybe they could use the hardware information that the Steam client >>>> already send them every time you log in? >>>> - Network cards >>>> - CD/DVD/Hard drives and others >>>> (MediaType/Index/DeviceID/SerialNumber/Manufacturer) >>>> - OS (Version, CD Key) >>>> + more stuff >>>> >>>> 2012/3/3 Cameron Munroe<[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Really, how would you track this? Ip ~ no. So what? The fact is NAT is >>>>> so extensive now that tracking via IP is ineffective at best. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/3/2012 1:43 AM, AnAkIn . wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> As if Valve never thought of doing that. Back when F2P got released >>>>>> they said they would do something against people creating multiple >>>>>> accounts, and they never done anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/3/3 Rob Liu<[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's my 2cents on this issue. >>>>>>> Make Steam guard mandatory. And put a limit on how many free to >>>>>>> play accounts a user can create? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Spencer 'Voogru' MacDonald >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That doesn't do much good for things like aimbots. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I personally don't like the idea of preventing them from joining, >>>>>>>> but simply taking away things that they might be able to abuse. My >>>>>>>> dodgeball servers for example doesn't allow f2p to use, or hear >>>>>>>> anyone on voice comm. >>>>>>>> Too many unbannables just spewing mic spam all day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Spencer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cameron >>>>>>>> Munroe >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 10:22 PM >>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Hackers on the rise >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is like saying I will not sell my product to "greens." It is >>>>>>>> not effective and can do way more harm then good. You might just >>>>>>>> want to beef up your security with sourcemod and some plugins. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 7:19 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One options is to just not allow f2p accounts. Or make them a lot >>>>>>>> more vulnerable to votekicks/votebans. I'm considering making it so >>>>>>>> it only takes half as many votes against f2p to take action. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2012 6:34 PM, "Russell Smith"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you can put up with the excessive memory leaks then you can use >>>>>>>> SourceTV on autorecord. Then just reference the time of the ban >>>>>>>> with the time of the recorded demo and you have yourself a demo of >>>>>>>> the supposed cheater. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 3:32 PM, Cameron Munroe wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now if it only would start a demo and then ban them... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.v... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> AnAkIn >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > -- > Best regards, > AnAkIn > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
