The 'is player visible' checks are expensive, yes, but Valve can probably optimize that and make it work better than it does with the current plugins. They already use some multi threading code at some places in the SRCDS code, it could be used for the anti wallhack code as well. It it really causes some performance issues it could be a CVar so people can decide if they want to enable it or not.
2012/3/4 ics <[email protected]>: > Game actually draws the corner what player sees and also the area behind it > (this prevents those sudden popups of players) , unless there is areaportal > or hint/skip brush set to cut corner. TF2 on the other hand somehow does > this differently. For example in harvest, if you snipe at the next house > roof of your spawn and take a look fast enough over the top to the other > side, sometimes some players draw out late. This could be due to the dynamic > model loading system. Especially the sniper camping on the roof at the small > barn at left sometimes is the late to appear. You also might see scout > coming around corner but too late as there was hickup in packets or > something and it teleports forward from the way it came from. > > -ics > > 4.3.2012 18:31, Drogen Viech kirjoitti: >> >> The problem is that all the 'is player visible' checks are really >> expensive - what if an arm is sticking out somewhere behind cover? >> You'd need to test alot of corner-cases taking this into account - i >> agree that valve should put in more sever side protection though - >> speedhacks can't be that hard to detect on the server side >> >> 2012/3/4 AnAkIn .<[email protected]>: >>> >>> Actually the server should not send the positions of the players who >>> are not visible at all, this is what Anti Wallhack plugins do. >>> >>> 2012/3/4 hlds<[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> This. It's well within Valve's ability to put in server code that's as >>>> simple as; >>>> >>>> if (($playerone can't legally see $playertwo)&& ($playerone killed >>>> >>>> $Playertwo)) then ban >>>> >>>> if ($player ismovingwaytoofuckingfast == $true) then ban >>>> >>>> I do not care how trusted the client must be, these are things than can >>>> and >>>> are not blocked by Valve on the server's side. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/4/2012 5:18 AM, AnAkIn . wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Speedhacks and wallhacks could be blocked with server side code if >>>>> Valve wanted to. >>>>> >>>>> 2012/3/4 Frank T. O'Connor<[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole reason game hacking works to begin with is you have to trust >>>>>> the client. Everything you just listed can easily be intercepted at >>>>>> runtime, >>>>>> and dynamic spoofed values given. Also, you aren't allowed to use MS >>>>>> product >>>>>> keys for anything. They can't legally be used to track or identify >>>>>> people. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of AnAkIn . >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 5:29 AM >>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Hackers on the rise >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe they could use the hardware information that the Steam client >>>>>> already send them every time you log in? >>>>>> - Network cards >>>>>> - CD/DVD/Hard drives and others >>>>>> (MediaType/Index/DeviceID/SerialNumber/Manufacturer) >>>>>> - OS (Version, CD Key) >>>>>> + more stuff >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/3/3 Cameron Munroe<[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Really, how would you track this? Ip ~ no. So what? The fact is NAT >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> so extensive now that tracking via IP is ineffective at best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/3/2012 1:43 AM, AnAkIn . wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As if Valve never thought of doing that. Back when F2P got released >>>>>>>> they said they would do something against people creating multiple >>>>>>>> accounts, and they never done anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2012/3/3 Rob Liu<[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's my 2cents on this issue. >>>>>>>>> Make Steam guard mandatory. And put a limit on how many free to >>>>>>>>> play accounts a user can create? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Spencer 'Voogru' MacDonald >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That doesn't do much good for things like aimbots. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I personally don't like the idea of preventing them from joining, >>>>>>>>>> but simply taking away things that they might be able to abuse. My >>>>>>>>>> dodgeball servers for example doesn't allow f2p to use, or hear >>>>>>>>>> anyone on voice comm. >>>>>>>>>> Too many unbannables just spewing mic spam all day. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Spencer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cameron >>>>>>>>>> Munroe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 10:22 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Hackers on the rise >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That is like saying I will not sell my product to "greens." It is >>>>>>>>>> not effective and can do way more harm then good. You might just >>>>>>>>>> want to beef up your security with sourcemod and some plugins. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 7:19 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One options is to just not allow f2p accounts. Or make them a lot >>>>>>>>>> more vulnerable to votekicks/votebans. I'm considering making it >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> it only takes half as many votes against f2p to take action. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2012 6:34 PM, "Russell Smith"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you can put up with the excessive memory leaks then you can use >>>>>>>>>> SourceTV on autorecord. Then just reference the time of the ban >>>>>>>>>> with the time of the recorded demo and you have yourself a demo of >>>>>>>>>> the supposed cheater. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2012 3:32 PM, Cameron Munroe wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now if it only would start a demo and then ban them... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.v... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> AnAkIn >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> AnAkIn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Best regards, AnAkIn _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
