Speedhacks should be made impossible by default, in the engine or something I wonder how long until hack deverlopers catch up and notice that they just need to clamp their view angles to get around SMACs eye angle detection
2012/3/26 Emil Larsson <[email protected]>: > Thing is that Valve does not exactly announce when they rework or improve > VAC, to add to it's mysterious nature. In a way the hackers notices the > updates to VAC before the general public. > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, AnAkIn . <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> VAC needs to be reworked for all games, not just TF2. There are so >> much hacks that it fails to detect which are detected by other >> anticheats. >> >> 2012/3/26 Alexander Z <[email protected]>: >> > Which is exactly why VAC needs to be reworked for TF2's needs. >> > >> > >> > On 26 March 2012 08:21, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Cheaters will always find ways to get around the system. The only way >> >> you >> >> can make sure you will never get any cheaters is to block all external >> >> connections to your server. >> >> >> >> Unfortunately it is the simple reality of gaming. If people can cheat >> >> to >> >> win, or to get a rise out of others, they will cheat to win. >> >> >> >> VAC is decently effective in a world where people need to purchase the >> >> game when their account gets banned. People think twice about using >> >> hack >> >> programs when they're faced with having to pay real money if they get >> >> caught >> >> to get back in. While it is not 100% (people that have enough money to >> >> not >> >> care) the delay factor was a scare factor for many cheaters, I remember >> >> talking to people that had loaded up a cheat once and joined a non-vac >> >> server being scared that they would be VAC banned for weeks before they >> >> finally calmed down. It also keeps the cheat programmers guessing if >> >> they're >> >> actually getting around the detection or not. >> >> >> >> But now TF2 is free-to-play. People can create however many accounts >> >> they'd like and cheat all the same, and it might be weeks before their >> >> account is banned. They don't have to buy any games, sure plugins like >> >> f2p >> >> kickers and whatnot may work on this, but what about legitimate people >> >> not >> >> wanting to use steam for purchases? Unfortunately due to the game going >> >> f2p >> >> many servers have decided to oust f2p players completely due to these >> >> reasons. A delayed banning system does not work well in a F2P >> >> environment. >> >> Make a new email and account which takes all of 3-5 minutes, and you've >> >> got >> >> a brand new hacking account for the next few weeks. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Cameron Munroe >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> "If there is a will, there is a way." >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 03/25/2012 10:22 PM, AnAkIn . wrote: >> >>> >> >>> There are some things you just can't find a way around. The game is >> >>> just >> >>> badly protected. >> >>> >> >>> Le 26 mars 2012 07:15, "Cameron Munroe" <[email protected]> a >> >>> écrit : >> >>> >> >>> Part of the reason for the success of SMAC and other anti-cheats is >> >>> that >> >>> it isn't on all servers. If it was these cheat producers would just >> >>> find a >> >>> way around it and all of us would be stuck. >> >>> >> >>> On 03/25/2012 09:58 PM, Team BOOM! wrote: >> >>> >> >>> How sweet would it be to have Kigen and the authors of SMAC work >> >>> directly >> >>> with Valve to integrate their anticheat features into VAC? If SMAC and >> >>> Kigen’s AC can do it effectively, why not? I’ve been told that Valve >> >>> is >> >>> already working with the Gungame authors for CS:GO, and in my >> >>> opinion, >> >>> dealing with cheaters is the single most frustrating and >> >>> time-consuming part >> >>> of being a Community Leader, Server Admin and for all the legit >> >>> players who >> >>> truly want to just play the game. Imagine a world where the minute you >> >>> toggled a cheat, you lost your Steam account forever and the Admin >> >>> never had >> >>> to lift a finger to make it happen! >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of ics >> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:40 PM >> >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> That 1-3 is an average. Some days there are 2-3 alone, some weeks only >> >>> 1 >> >>> idiot. There has been 7 this week that have gotten caught >> >>> automatically, >> >>> 8 by admin on TF2 and CSS together. >> >>> >> >>> I'd really like to get to see some improvement to VAC also to detect >> >>> these cheaters. Not even half are banned after a month of getting >> >>> caught. >> >>> >> >>> -ics >> >>> >> >>> 25.3.2012 20:25, hlds kirjoitti: >> >>> >> >>> Only 1-3 per week? I would say an average of 2-3 cheaters per day per >> >>> server. This being the ones detected by SMAC or admins, because the >> >>> real >> >>> number is probably higher. It is incredible how many players have >> >>> sv_cheats >> >>> set to 1… >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: [email protected] >> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ics >> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:38 PM >> >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I've also noticed an definite increase on cheaters. Where before f2p i >> >>> used to see 10 cheats for duration of 2 years, now there's 1-3 per >> >>> week. >> >>> >> >>> You could try SourceMod Anti-Cheat (SMAC). It has automatic functions, >> >>> such as aimbot detection that seems to catch about half of these >> >>> cheaters >> >>> automatically. >> >>> >> >>> -ics >> >>> >> >>> 24.3.2012 21:05, Rowedahelicon kirjoitti: >> >>> >> >>> Any word on the possible increase of Vac effectivity to wean off f2p >> >>> players? It's not a problem to me, just curious. >> >>> Also, is there a way or source mod anti cheat that stops crit hooking? >> >>> "Hack" >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >> >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >> >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>> archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>> archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> AnAkIn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
