Which is exactly why VAC needs to be reworked for TF2's needs. On 26 March 2012 08:21, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote:
> Cheaters will always find ways to get around the system. The only way you > can make sure you will never get any cheaters is to block all external > connections to your server. > > Unfortunately it is the simple reality of gaming. If people can cheat to > win, or to get a rise out of others, they will cheat to win. > > VAC is decently effective in a world where people need to purchase the > game when their account gets banned. People think twice about using hack > programs when they're faced with having to pay real money if they get > caught to get back in. While it is not 100% (people that have enough money > to not care) the delay factor was a scare factor for many cheaters, I > remember talking to people that had loaded up a cheat once and joined a > non-vac server being scared that they would be VAC banned for weeks before > they finally calmed down. It also keeps the cheat programmers guessing if > they're actually getting around the detection or not. > > But now TF2 is free-to-play. People can create however many accounts > they'd like and cheat all the same, and it might be weeks before their > account is banned. They don't have to buy any games, sure plugins like f2p > kickers and whatnot may work on this, but what about legitimate people not > wanting to use steam for purchases? Unfortunately due to the game going f2p > many servers have decided to oust f2p players completely due to these > reasons. A delayed banning system does not work well in a F2P environment. > Make a new email and account which takes all of 3-5 minutes, and you've got > a brand new hacking account for the next few weeks. > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Cameron Munroe <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> "If there is a will, there is a way." >> >> >> On 03/25/2012 10:22 PM, AnAkIn . wrote: >> >> There are some things you just can't find a way around. The game is just >> badly protected. >> Le 26 mars 2012 07:15, "Cameron Munroe" <[email protected]> a >> écrit : >> >> Part of the reason for the success of SMAC and other anti-cheats is that >> it isn't on all servers. If it was these cheat producers would just find a >> way around it and all of us would be stuck. >> >> On 03/25/2012 09:58 PM, Team BOOM! wrote: >> >> How sweet would it be to have Kigen and the authors of SMAC work >> directly with Valve to integrate their anticheat features into VAC? If SMAC >> and Kigen’s AC can do it effectively, why not? I’ve been told that Valve is >> already working with the Gungame authors for CS:GO, and in my opinion, >> dealing with cheaters is the single most frustrating and time-consuming >> part of being a Community Leader, Server Admin and for all the legit >> players who truly want to just play the game. Imagine a world where the >> minute you toggled a cheat, you lost your Steam account forever and the >> Admin never had to lift a finger to make it happen! >> >> >> >> * From: * [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected] ] *On Behalf Of *ics >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:40 PM >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? >> >> >> >> That 1-3 is an average. Some days there are 2-3 alone, some weeks only 1 >> idiot. There has been 7 this week that have gotten caught automatically, >> 8 by admin on TF2 and CSS together. >> >> I'd really like to get to see some improvement to VAC also to detect >> these cheaters. Not even half are banned after a month of getting caught. >> >> -ics >> >> 25.3.2012 20:25, hlds kirjoitti: >> >> Only 1-3 per week? I would say an average of 2-3 cheaters per day per >> server. This being the ones detected by SMAC or admins, because the real >> number is probably higher. It is incredible how many players have sv_cheats >> set to 1… >> >> >> >> * From: * [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >> *On Behalf Of *ics >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:38 PM >> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? >> >> >> >> I've also noticed an definite increase on cheaters. Where before f2p i >> used to see 10 cheats for duration of 2 years, now there's 1-3 per week. >> >> You could try SourceMod Anti-Cheat (SMAC). It has automatic functions, >> such as aimbot detection that seems to catch about half of these cheaters >> automatically. >> >> -ics >> >> 24.3.2012 21:05, Rowedahelicon kirjoitti: >> >> Any word on the possible increase of Vac effectivity to wean off f2p >> players? It's not a problem to me, just curious. >> Also, is there a way or source mod anti cheat that stops crit hooking? >> "Hack" >> >> -- >> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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