Thing is that Valve does not exactly announce when they rework or improve VAC, to add to it's mysterious nature. In a way the hackers notices the updates to VAC before the general public.
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, AnAkIn . <[email protected]> wrote: > VAC needs to be reworked for all games, not just TF2. There are so > much hacks that it fails to detect which are detected by other > anticheats. > > 2012/3/26 Alexander Z <[email protected]>: > > Which is exactly why VAC needs to be reworked for TF2's needs. > > > > > > On 26 March 2012 08:21, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Cheaters will always find ways to get around the system. The only way > you > >> can make sure you will never get any cheaters is to block all external > >> connections to your server. > >> > >> Unfortunately it is the simple reality of gaming. If people can cheat to > >> win, or to get a rise out of others, they will cheat to win. > >> > >> VAC is decently effective in a world where people need to purchase the > >> game when their account gets banned. People think twice about using hack > >> programs when they're faced with having to pay real money if they get > caught > >> to get back in. While it is not 100% (people that have enough money to > not > >> care) the delay factor was a scare factor for many cheaters, I remember > >> talking to people that had loaded up a cheat once and joined a non-vac > >> server being scared that they would be VAC banned for weeks before they > >> finally calmed down. It also keeps the cheat programmers guessing if > they're > >> actually getting around the detection or not. > >> > >> But now TF2 is free-to-play. People can create however many accounts > >> they'd like and cheat all the same, and it might be weeks before their > >> account is banned. They don't have to buy any games, sure plugins like > f2p > >> kickers and whatnot may work on this, but what about legitimate people > not > >> wanting to use steam for purchases? Unfortunately due to the game going > f2p > >> many servers have decided to oust f2p players completely due to these > >> reasons. A delayed banning system does not work well in a F2P > environment. > >> Make a new email and account which takes all of 3-5 minutes, and you've > got > >> a brand new hacking account for the next few weeks. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Cameron Munroe > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> "If there is a will, there is a way." > >>> > >>> > >>> On 03/25/2012 10:22 PM, AnAkIn . wrote: > >>> > >>> There are some things you just can't find a way around. The game is > just > >>> badly protected. > >>> > >>> Le 26 mars 2012 07:15, "Cameron Munroe" <[email protected]> a > >>> écrit : > >>> > >>> Part of the reason for the success of SMAC and other anti-cheats is > that > >>> it isn't on all servers. If it was these cheat producers would just > find a > >>> way around it and all of us would be stuck. > >>> > >>> On 03/25/2012 09:58 PM, Team BOOM! wrote: > >>> > >>> How sweet would it be to have Kigen and the authors of SMAC work > directly > >>> with Valve to integrate their anticheat features into VAC? If SMAC and > >>> Kigen’s AC can do it effectively, why not? I’ve been told that Valve is > >>> already working with the Gungame authors for CS:GO, and in my opinion, > >>> dealing with cheaters is the single most frustrating and > time-consuming part > >>> of being a Community Leader, Server Admin and for all the legit > players who > >>> truly want to just play the game. Imagine a world where the minute you > >>> toggled a cheat, you lost your Steam account forever and the Admin > never had > >>> to lift a finger to make it happen! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: > >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of ics > >>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:40 PM > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> That 1-3 is an average. Some days there are 2-3 alone, some weeks only > 1 > >>> idiot. There has been 7 this week that have gotten caught > automatically, > >>> 8 by admin on TF2 and CSS together. > >>> > >>> I'd really like to get to see some improvement to VAC also to detect > >>> these cheaters. Not even half are banned after a month of getting > caught. > >>> > >>> -ics > >>> > >>> 25.3.2012 20:25, hlds kirjoitti: > >>> > >>> Only 1-3 per week? I would say an average of 2-3 cheaters per day per > >>> server. This being the ones detected by SMAC or admins, because the > real > >>> number is probably higher. It is incredible how many players have > sv_cheats > >>> set to 1… > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ics > >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:38 PM > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I've also noticed an definite increase on cheaters. Where before f2p i > >>> used to see 10 cheats for duration of 2 years, now there's 1-3 per > week. > >>> > >>> You could try SourceMod Anti-Cheat (SMAC). It has automatic functions, > >>> such as aimbot detection that seems to catch about half of these > cheaters > >>> automatically. > >>> > >>> -ics > >>> > >>> 24.3.2012 21:05, Rowedahelicon kirjoitti: > >>> > >>> Any word on the possible increase of Vac effectivity to wean off f2p > >>> players? It's not a problem to me, just curious. > >>> Also, is there a way or source mod anti cheat that stops crit hooking? > >>> "Hack" > >>> > >>> -- > >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* > >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer > >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > AnAkIn > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >
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