VAC needs to be reworked for all games, not just TF2. There are so much hacks that it fails to detect which are detected by other anticheats.
2012/3/26 Alexander Z <[email protected]>: > Which is exactly why VAC needs to be reworked for TF2's needs. > > > On 26 March 2012 08:21, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Cheaters will always find ways to get around the system. The only way you >> can make sure you will never get any cheaters is to block all external >> connections to your server. >> >> Unfortunately it is the simple reality of gaming. If people can cheat to >> win, or to get a rise out of others, they will cheat to win. >> >> VAC is decently effective in a world where people need to purchase the >> game when their account gets banned. People think twice about using hack >> programs when they're faced with having to pay real money if they get caught >> to get back in. While it is not 100% (people that have enough money to not >> care) the delay factor was a scare factor for many cheaters, I remember >> talking to people that had loaded up a cheat once and joined a non-vac >> server being scared that they would be VAC banned for weeks before they >> finally calmed down. It also keeps the cheat programmers guessing if they're >> actually getting around the detection or not. >> >> But now TF2 is free-to-play. People can create however many accounts >> they'd like and cheat all the same, and it might be weeks before their >> account is banned. They don't have to buy any games, sure plugins like f2p >> kickers and whatnot may work on this, but what about legitimate people not >> wanting to use steam for purchases? Unfortunately due to the game going f2p >> many servers have decided to oust f2p players completely due to these >> reasons. A delayed banning system does not work well in a F2P environment. >> Make a new email and account which takes all of 3-5 minutes, and you've got >> a brand new hacking account for the next few weeks. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Cameron Munroe >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> "If there is a will, there is a way." >>> >>> >>> On 03/25/2012 10:22 PM, AnAkIn . wrote: >>> >>> There are some things you just can't find a way around. The game is just >>> badly protected. >>> >>> Le 26 mars 2012 07:15, "Cameron Munroe" <[email protected]> a >>> écrit : >>> >>> Part of the reason for the success of SMAC and other anti-cheats is that >>> it isn't on all servers. If it was these cheat producers would just find a >>> way around it and all of us would be stuck. >>> >>> On 03/25/2012 09:58 PM, Team BOOM! wrote: >>> >>> How sweet would it be to have Kigen and the authors of SMAC work directly >>> with Valve to integrate their anticheat features into VAC? If SMAC and >>> Kigen’s AC can do it effectively, why not? I’ve been told that Valve is >>> already working with the Gungame authors for CS:GO, and in my opinion, >>> dealing with cheaters is the single most frustrating and time-consuming part >>> of being a Community Leader, Server Admin and for all the legit players who >>> truly want to just play the game. Imagine a world where the minute you >>> toggled a cheat, you lost your Steam account forever and the Admin never had >>> to lift a finger to make it happen! >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of ics >>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:40 PM >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? >>> >>> >>> >>> That 1-3 is an average. Some days there are 2-3 alone, some weeks only 1 >>> idiot. There has been 7 this week that have gotten caught automatically, >>> 8 by admin on TF2 and CSS together. >>> >>> I'd really like to get to see some improvement to VAC also to detect >>> these cheaters. Not even half are banned after a month of getting caught. >>> >>> -ics >>> >>> 25.3.2012 20:25, hlds kirjoitti: >>> >>> Only 1-3 per week? I would say an average of 2-3 cheaters per day per >>> server. This being the ones detected by SMAC or admins, because the real >>> number is probably higher. It is incredible how many players have sv_cheats >>> set to 1… >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ics >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:38 PM >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC? >>> >>> >>> >>> I've also noticed an definite increase on cheaters. Where before f2p i >>> used to see 10 cheats for duration of 2 years, now there's 1-3 per week. >>> >>> You could try SourceMod Anti-Cheat (SMAC). It has automatic functions, >>> such as aimbot detection that seems to catch about half of these cheaters >>> automatically. >>> >>> -ics >>> >>> 24.3.2012 21:05, Rowedahelicon kirjoitti: >>> >>> Any word on the possible increase of Vac effectivity to wean off f2p >>> players? It's not a problem to me, just curious. >>> Also, is there a way or source mod anti cheat that stops crit hooking? >>> "Hack" >>> >>> -- >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- Best regards, AnAkIn _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
