Code is streamed, so those cheat builders can get a fragment of the VAC
code but not all of it. Problem is that once their cheat is detected by
VAC and they know it, all they need to do is alter some bits of it to
make it undetectable again, untill the new signature of the cheat is
added to VAC database again.
Delayed system like VAC doesn't work in Free 2 Play case very well and
the saying "have active admins" is so 2011. It doesn't fix the problem.
Right now the delay between cheater detected on our servers and getting
banned is 1,5-2 weeks since the guy got caught - if a VAC ban is issued
at all. Seems that the most newest accounts created are using some sort
of publicly available cheat so and are banned within 2 weeks so why not
tighten that time. I think everyone knows that VAC can detect the most
public cheats out there. Well almost, except the idiots that use them.
Still, they can cause havoc so many hours on so many servers at that
time before getting banned. Just for laughs.
-ics
26.3.2012 12:55, Emil Larsson kirjoitti:
Thing is that Valve does not exactly announce when they rework or
improve VAC, to add to it's mysterious nature. In a way the hackers
notices the updates to VAC before the general public.
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM, AnAkIn . <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
VAC needs to be reworked for all games, not just TF2. There are so
much hacks that it fails to detect which are detected by other
anticheats.
2012/3/26 Alexander Z <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
> Which is exactly why VAC needs to be reworked for TF2's needs.
>
>
> On 26 March 2012 08:21, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> Cheaters will always find ways to get around the system. The
only way you
>> can make sure you will never get any cheaters is to block all
external
>> connections to your server.
>>
>> Unfortunately it is the simple reality of gaming. If people can
cheat to
>> win, or to get a rise out of others, they will cheat to win.
>>
>> VAC is decently effective in a world where people need to
purchase the
>> game when their account gets banned. People think twice about
using hack
>> programs when they're faced with having to pay real money if
they get caught
>> to get back in. While it is not 100% (people that have enough
money to not
>> care) the delay factor was a scare factor for many cheaters, I
remember
>> talking to people that had loaded up a cheat once and joined a
non-vac
>> server being scared that they would be VAC banned for weeks
before they
>> finally calmed down. It also keeps the cheat programmers
guessing if they're
>> actually getting around the detection or not.
>>
>> But now TF2 is free-to-play. People can create however many
accounts
>> they'd like and cheat all the same, and it might be weeks
before their
>> account is banned. They don't have to buy any games, sure
plugins like f2p
>> kickers and whatnot may work on this, but what about legitimate
people not
>> wanting to use steam for purchases? Unfortunately due to the
game going f2p
>> many servers have decided to oust f2p players completely due to
these
>> reasons. A delayed banning system does not work well in a F2P
environment.
>> Make a new email and account which takes all of 3-5 minutes,
and you've got
>> a brand new hacking account for the next few weeks.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Cameron Munroe
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>>
>>> "If there is a will, there is a way."
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/25/2012 10:22 PM, AnAkIn . wrote:
>>>
>>> There are some things you just can't find a way around. The
game is just
>>> badly protected.
>>>
>>> Le 26 mars 2012 07:15, "Cameron Munroe"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>> Part of the reason for the success of SMAC and other
anti-cheats is that
>>> it isn't on all servers. If it was these cheat producers would
just find a
>>> way around it and all of us would be stuck.
>>>
>>> On 03/25/2012 09:58 PM, Team BOOM! wrote:
>>>
>>> How sweet would it be to have Kigen and the authors of SMAC
work directly
>>> with Valve to integrate their anticheat features into VAC? If
SMAC and
>>> Kigen's AC can do it effectively, why not? I've been told that
Valve is
>>> already working with the Gungame authors for CS:GO, and in my
opinion,
>>> dealing with cheaters is the single most frustrating and
time-consuming part
>>> of being a Community Leader, Server Admin and for all the
legit players who
>>> truly want to just play the game. Imagine a world where the
minute you
>>> toggled a cheat, you lost your Steam account forever and the
Admin never had
>>> to lift a finger to make it happen!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:
>>> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of ics
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:40 PM
>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That 1-3 is an average. Some days there are 2-3 alone, some
weeks only 1
>>> idiot. There has been 7 this week that have gotten caught
automatically,
>>> 8 by admin on TF2 and CSS together.
>>>
>>> I'd really like to get to see some improvement to VAC also to
detect
>>> these cheaters. Not even half are banned after a month of
getting caught.
>>>
>>> -ics
>>>
>>> 25.3.2012 20:25, hlds kirjoitti:
>>>
>>> Only 1-3 per week? I would say an average of 2-3 cheaters per
day per
>>> server. This being the ones detected by SMAC or admins,
because the real
>>> number is probably higher. It is incredible how many players
have sv_cheats
>>> set to 1...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>> [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of ics
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 9:38 PM
>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Crit hacking + VAC?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've also noticed an definite increase on cheaters. Where
before f2p i
>>> used to see 10 cheats for duration of 2 years, now there's 1-3
per week.
>>>
>>> You could try SourceMod Anti-Cheat (SMAC). It has automatic
functions,
>>> such as aimbot detection that seems to catch about half of
these cheaters
>>> automatically.
>>>
>>> -ics
>>>
>>> 24.3.2012 21:05, Rowedahelicon kirjoitti:
>>>
>>> Any word on the possible increase of Vac effectivity to wean
off f2p
>>> players? It's not a problem to me, just curious.
>>> Also, is there a way or source mod anti cheat that stops crit
hooking?
>>> "Hack"
>>>
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