Funny how some multi million dollar companies run businesses like mom and pop shop.
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Cc2iscooL <[email protected]> wrote: > I was not aware that Valve was using Pinion on their official servers now. > > Guess it's a good thing I got out of TF2 when I did. When I ran a community > it was completely funded by donations, and normally those donations were met > without issue, anything extra was either put back into the community or used > when the goal was not necessarily met. I didn't have to force ads on people > to stay afloat. > > Next thing you know it, you'll purchase a game full price and have to watch a > 30 second ad (lol EA games intro movies) to even play the game. > > I completely support players using the HOSTS file, turning off the MOTD, or > etc to not see those ads. > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected]> wrote: > I've been using MVPS Hosts for many years: > http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm > for a number of reasons like security, ad blocking, stats blocking etc. > > One of the listed lines in it: > 127.0.0.1 motd.pinion.gg #[Game Adverts] > There is no reason to ban ppl who use localized settings as their preference. > People have the choice to disable the MOTD, etc. > > And actually that is not hacking "your" server. They block the content from > Pinion, which is a 3rd party who has nothing to do with the client but way > more with the server ('s owner). The client blocking the third party is > entirely up to them. They didn't change or access your server in any way > inappropriate. > > And btw, "hacking" in relation to the game is being able to overcome server > settings/limitations by using arbitrary means that change processes run-time. > Like the named "aimbots" "wallhacks" etc. Protection/insurance of client > settings and files is done via the sv_cheats and sv_pure var's. Its > "exploiting" when something is abused but not protected within the game. If > its downright a OPTION in the game to block MOTD's, its neither in regards to > blocking the pinion ads. > > You state that its in the "rules" of the server that clients should view the > MOTD... but where/when do you state that? When the client connects? in the > MOTD? oh, no, thats already (ab)used with Pinion. so where/when then? in the > game's chat? more ads in-game midscreen ? I've always seen the MOTD as a > place where a server owner can put his banner, server rules and whatnot so > players have an idea what community and rules they have to play by. If you as > server owner replaced that with 1 big advert, then when are the players to > find out about the rules? not from your MOTD, and by the time you can advert > them, they are already past that. > > Also, with Pinion crashing clients if they have the latest Flash installed, > who are you to crash somebody's game? > > With what I read bout the pinion stuff, I'm just glad I disabled MOTD a long > time ago, it has been a pain crashing the game for a number of things over > the years, and there is never been anything there thats interesting enough. > So far I've not seen even 1 positive argument to enable it anyways. With > positive one I mean not saying: > - or otherwise you just look at a countdown > - or you get a ban > - etc. > > Make it a privilege, that they get a "donator slot" or other perks for 3 > hours or something like that. Reward them doing "good", don't punish the > "bad". I bet you get then even discussions about it to get ppl to enable it. > Instead of now ppl recommending each other to turn it off, getting a hosts > block, etc. > > "Join a Pinion enabled server, watch their video, and get a Neon-sign hat." > > No idea how it can be that a advertizing company doesn't know how to please > their audience. Guess thats the gap between the "positive" message and > actually giving a positive experience. > > Also, reading the SPUF, with Pinion ads running, it loads its video, and > takes so long to load the video, and then it still has to finish it. So thats > 1-1,5 minutes instead of the 30 second countdown? pfff, 30 sec countdown any > time beats that timewaste. > > From: Todd Pettit <[email protected]> > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013, 6:11 > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Pinion Pot of Gold blacklist? > > My point is if you are using you client settings to subvert my server > settings then you are hacking. So there is no reason I should not punish > players who subvert the ads any differently than someone who spams chat, > abuses voting, trolls the server, aimbots, wallhacks, etc. By your reasoning > these hacks, cheats, and behaviors are perfectly reasonable to use on any > server simply because you are located somewhere else. The second you connect > to our server you are taking the slot of a player who actually contributes to > the well being of the community and you are just to lazy to join one of > hundreds of other servers and not contribute to them. I don't take it > personally, by the way, I prevent it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "[BT]Black V" <[email protected]> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:02:24 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Pinion Pot of Gold blacklist? > > > > > > > > The game is free NOW. > But yes that is my point I would join another server rather than see ads > > and your point is you feel you have the right to show me those ads > > It's not a personal attack on you, I don't like ads, where I can avoid them, > I do > As you server is under you full control, so is my client > > > > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Yun Huang Yong < [email protected] > > wrote: > > > > On 19/02/2013 3:12 PM, Todd Pettit wrote: > > > I offer a pinion bypass to all my players for $1 a month. It already has > close to a hundred people who are contributing. So our players obviously like > our servers enough to contribute. > > How do you handle the billing? > > I looked around for ways for players to contribute micro-donations and most > solutions made it crazily inefficient. e.g. PayPal is 2.4% + 30c for every > transaction. > > I would love a mechanism that allowed players to easily contribute micro > amounts... :) > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware. com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ hlds > > > > -- > Cheers > > Terry Wrennall > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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