The level of starry-eyed idealism in this thread, whilst cute and admirable, is completely ill-placed and out of touch with reality. The fact is, Quickplay is only the first of many mechanisms that are inherently hostile to privately run servers. Mann-Up rewards, contracts and soon competitive matchmaking are even greater problems that make the Team Fortress 2 server environment an unfriendly one to private operators. Whilst the default Quickplay setting is certainly an issue affecting the populations of privately run servers, I would personally argue the fact that players are incentivised and rewarded for playing on official servers is actually the bigger problem. Unless there is a way to address the latter, I see little value in addressing the former – And let’s be honest, Valve are not going to address any of the latter inequities because it’s more trouble than its worth and the vast majority of players don’t care.
So by all means, go ahead and make your petition groups, start harassing Valve while pretending that you speak for all private server operators, when you do not. I suspect it will fall entirely on deaf ears. Why? Because the only people who care about this matter are private server operators and their friends who are clinging onto relics of the past. I personally would like Valve to continue putting their time into creating and implementing meaningful improvements and features such as competitive matchmaking, irrespective of the obvious negative impact it will have on privately run servers... And you can bet your money that competitive matches will only be hosted on official servers, so feel free to start complaining about that too. Oh...and let's be even more frank: The fact that Matthias thinks that it is possible for private-server operators to "speak for the Team Fortress community" is a farce. Private server operators do not represent the majority views of the present day Team Fortress 2 players and haven't for quite a long time...Nor would Valve be foolish enough to appear to be officially endorsing a select few individuals as "The Voice of Team Fortress 2 Communities!" On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Rowedahelicon < theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote: > I want to go on record saying I very much agree with Matthias point about > Valve's community interactions. Beyond TF2, I can give you a good argument > why Valve needs to discuss with their community more, as it's not just us > that are affected. Fixing quickplay is a good goal but as we've seen with > everything else that has happened we can solve a lot of issues by attacking > the root problem. That being said, it's still important that we stay > focused. > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < > proph...@sticed.org> wrote: > >> Yes, I have considered it, and no. Ads itself are a separate topic/issue >> to be discussed, and I don't see an objective basis for this when people >> with their companies are involved and are moderating this. This quickly >> reminds me of how the UN is arranged and veto powers are being abused there >> to absurdity (or rather politics in general). >> I don't know you personally, how could I have something against you as a >> person? >> To be honest, judging from the posts by Patrick, I might as well return >> that question. To me (and a few others) it seemed pretty obvious that he >> was spreading false information in order to get the csgo motd issue fixed. >> It also didn't help the cause that he quickly tried to defame people who >> brought up valid concerns about advertising. Outside of this mailing list >> even threats of lawsuits from his side have happened. I also have a few >> guesses regarding how you get ad support for motds for various games, so >> there would be another conflict of interest as well. >> No, I do not want that to happen and I don't see this particular behavior >> being helpful. >> >> >> On 18.12.2015 02:50, Paul wrote: >> >> I've been playing Team Fortress 2 long before motdgd even existed, have >> you ever considered that the reasons are actually personal/informal? I go >> back as far as the days of WON and Team Fortress Classic. However it seems >> to me that you have a personal grudge with me which is very unfortunate. >> >> On 17 December 2015 at 23:34, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >> <proph...@sticed.org>proph...@sticed.org> wrote: >> >>> One of the mods in that group belongs to motdgd. Sorry, not going to >>> join that group. Conflict of interest. I do not want TF2 to suck. >>> >>> >>> On 18.12.2015 00:20, Jan wrote: >>> >>> Similar group was set up before: >>> <http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fixquickplay> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fixquickplay >>> >>> On 18.12.2015 0:13, Rowedahelicon wrote: >>> >>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/TF2CommunityServers I've setup this >>> group for now for us all to hop into , ignore my skype thing before I for >>> whatever reason didn't think to use Steam. >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Robert Paulson < >>> <thepauls...@gmail.com>thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Like I said before, it is way too late for an angry post on reddit. >>>> >>>> Many of you thought these changes would just kill off the "bad" servers >>>> which "obviously" excluded your own, and applauded Valve and even asked for >>>> more and more restrictions. >>>> >>>> Community players are the minority now. Just last week I talked to a >>>> player who had no idea that community servers existed even though he was in >>>> one. >>>> >>>> All the communities that spammed /r/tf2 to get players have >>>> irreversibly died (it would take them years to rebuild now) and have no >>>> incentive to help. In fact I see them insulting the communities that are >>>> still around. If they failed, then others must too. >>>> >>>> When competitive matchmaking comes out sometimes early next year, that >>>> will be the final nail in the coffin for community servers. There's not >>>> much we can do other than to serve as a warning to never get involved with >>>> anything Valve does beyond playing their game. Don't get involved with >>>> their ecosystem as they will screw you over whenever it suits them. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* >>> Web Designer / Artist / Writer >>> Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > > -- > *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* > Web Designer / Artist / Writer > Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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