Very imformative and ON TOPIC discussion...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCormack, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS lag fix
Don't lower yourself to petty insults it reflects more upon yourself than whom it was intended upon. >I support a community who have paid me to use my hardware, and my spare time to continue to provide the quality of service they have been used to since July 2000. Therein lies your choice. You don't HAVE to run anything, if you do run servers you can choose to not run hlds. Its up to you. If customers want to run hlds on one of your servers, then its YOUR CHOICE to let them run it or not and attempt to support it if that is the level of support you provide. If you are taking money for this service then thats entirely up to you. If you get grief from your customers because you chose to let them run hlds on your hardware when you know the issues with it. Then that is your fault not valves for not informing them of the issues before you let them install it. >>you can just walk away. >No, I can't actually. YES YOU CAN but dont moan about your customers "not getting a level of drone drone drone bore" on this list. Valve are well aware of the issues before you "enlightened" them *yawn*. >I have tried to close my server twice, Make a decision once. Stick to it. >I do not choose to use their product (see above). You are the one that owns the hardware that your customers use. If you are concerned with what your customers are running (hlds) then that is your responsibility to inform them of the situation with the software and tell them that "valve have already been informed of the issues with hlds" and that it is nothing to do with your hardware (dont pass on their moans to the list). If they don't understand that, then it is your fault for allowing them to run hlds in the first place when you were aware of the situation. > Valve are the sole. developers of Counter Strike, and so therefore I have no choice from whom I purchase/download my software from. That's complete rubbish and leads back to my original post : "I'm sorry Mat but it is their product and if you don't agree or like what they are doing with it, you can just walk away. IF you or anybody else chooses to use their product then you must be prepared to put up with whatever they choose to do with it." >I criticise valve To what end ? What was the point ? As you say you browse the list, surely you have seen the original posts of the issues you have expertly re-covered. Does stating them again with a tinge of distain (Micro$oft jibes wore thin years ago) from your own email make valve suddenly work twice as hard with more vigour and extra ability to sort out these problems ? Or does it just make you feel better about it ? Rhetorical. >Make _your_ choice (quietly), you don't have to subscribe to this list I think you need to take heed from your own statement before you decide to moan about known issues again and then inform valve and the rest of us about the humorous MS link to lack of release quality and how they should be doing it( they got to this stage without any development process insight from you, why do they suddenly require it now?). >Does that make it right? No it doesn't but unfortunately thats the way it is. I refer you to my opening statement in my original reply. >Do you actually care about what is going on? Of course, thats why I am trying to highlight the lack of point in posting the same moaning whinges about known issues. Especially ones that come with distain for actual development processes and release quality from valve. It is not needed or welcome and helps no-one. >It doesn't sound like you have much in the way to offer this list in the way of support or intellectual content. *yawn* Clearly you are of a higher intellectual plain than I. I bow down to your informative moans and clever wit on a bended knee oh great one. >At least we agree that this email was nothing more substantial than flame bait I am sorry you completely missed the point of the reply Matt but that is your own fault not mine. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Judge Sent: 25 June 2004 10:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CS lag fix I knew some unknowledgeable scrote would reply in this fashion. McCormack, Chris wrote: >I'm sorry Mat but it is their product and if you don't agree or like what they are doing with it, you can just walk away. > > No, I can't actually. I support a community who have paid me to use my hardware, and my spare time to continue to provide the quality of service they have been used to since July 2000. I have tried to close my server twice, and each time I have been appealed, and this last time paid, to keep it running. >IF you or anybody else chooses to use their product then you must be prepared to put up with whatever they choose to do with it. > > I do not choose to use their product (see above). Valve are the sole developers of Counter Strike, and so therefore I have no choice from whom I purchase/download my software from. Counter Strike is one of a kind, and though it has been imitated, no one has yet managed to provide a game with the same game play, and the same community spirit that has developed around Counter Strike. >Repetitive criticism like below which has been touted on this valve owned list will have been noted when it was FIRST raised (valve have said someone reads the list daily). > > I criticise valve (rather than sitting on the list waiting to criticise other people) because I care what happens to the game - If I didn't care, I would shut up and let them do what the hell they wanted. If people DO NOT criticise mistakes, or high light performance issues, etc. then Valve would never know when they do something wrong, and would not know to fix it. On the other hand, I have praised them when they do things right. >Give the developers a chance. I cannot STAND people constantly moaning about the same issues(the ones that are actually on topic) or how they are losing money or poor game play through performance issues etc due to valves product. > > There are a lot of things on this list I don't like, like yourself at this moment for instance, but I don't generate a pointless email which just adds to the numerous flame wars which already pollute this list. My above statement covers the rest of your drivvle. >You all have a choice. > > > Make _your_ choice (quietly), you don't have to subscribe to this list, you don't have to read any subscriptions from me. >The issues you are repetitively raising are well known to valve. If nothing has been done about it by now then there will be a good reason, but nobody behind valves doors has to answer or tell you or any other admins squat about it unless they desire too. > > > Does that make it right? Do you actually care about what is going on? It doesn't sound like you have much in the way to offer this list in the way of support or intellectual content. >Flame away if it will make you feel better but it wont change what stands above. > > > At least we agree that this email was nothing more substantial than flame bait, Matt. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux *********************************************** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. 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