"paid directly" is a key word, theres little to no obligation. Which makes things potentially haywire.
On 8/1/07, Jordan Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Valve doesn't get paid DIRECTLY for this, but because of the HUGE > number of people that login to steam, they get to push all of their > games to the continued userbase as well as take a cut of others game. > > It is in valves best interest to continue CS, CSS for as long as possible. > > -- > Jordan Jacobs > FragnServers.com > <3 FreeBSD > > On 8/1/07, Vlad (e-Plutonia Inc.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How hard is it to fix a server side for a freaking gaming server. This > > isn't restructuring the entire freaking game. This has been going on > > for two years, I know valve as a company isn't getting paid for this, > > but I'd rather pay valve rather than see the thing in a shitty state. > > > > On 8/1/07, Ondřej Hošek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin... and I don't speak of the historical > > > BSDs. > > > > > > Sure, no more worries. :-P > > > > > > I do agree that it sucks to support hundreds of systems with different > > > versions of all sorts of libraries, but I bet there are people in the > > > BSD camps who are up for more bleeding edge stuff, while others rather > > > stay conservative with yesterday's C library. What does this give you? > > > Absolutely the same situation as the bulk of Linux distributions: > > > different versions of everything. > > > > > > With Linux, at least the kernel is more or less the same. > > > > > > ~~ Ondra > > > > > > P.S. I doubt BSD binaries are worth it until Linux support is > > > more-than-decent, as Linux has a /slightly/ larger userbase. Fixing > > > Linux should therefore be a higher priority than getting out > > > one-quarter-broken binaries for yet another platform. > > > > > > On 01.08.07 16:34 Uhr, kama wrote: > > > > Wouldnt that be sweet? No more worries about different distributions... > > > > ;p > > > > > > > > /Bjorn > > > > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, M. Kraaij wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Are BSD binaries an option, Alfred? > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:15 PM > > > >> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Alfred We Need Your Help > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Our linux platforms are aimed at being stable development platforms, > > > >>> NOT > > > >>> at being production servers. You would be much better served by having > > > >>> the guys on this list that run server farm chip in. > > > >>> > > > >>> We run Slackware 9.0 with a 2.6.21.5 kernel for the dev platform and > > > >>> we > > > >>> have Debian etch on a test machine. Both machines are SMP. > > > >>> > > > >>> - Alfred > > > >>> > > > >>> tsuehpsyde wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > >>>> Alfred, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I don't mean to direct this straight to you, but you're the only real > > > >>>> contact within VALVe we have that actually gives us information or > > > >>>> takes our advice/suggestions on this mailing list. With that said, > > > >>>> can we get some > > > >>>> sort of straight forward answer as to the recommended platform or > > > >>>> configuration for SourceDS for Linux? I realize that Linux does take > > > >>>> a back > > > >>>> seat to Windows as far as SourceDS goes (look at the incident a year > > > >>>> or so > > > >>>> ago when VALVe released a linux update that would not even start in a > > > >>>> vanilla state), but some sort of input would at least help us get on > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> right track. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> These are the three core questions I would like to see answered by > > > >>>> Alfred or someone else directly from VALVe and not a third party: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 1. What distribution of Linux does VALVe use for testing and > > > >>>> deployment? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 2. What kernel version (and also patches if applicable) are used in > > > >>>> this > > > >>>> platform? Also, can we get the kernel configuration, or even the > > > >>>> kernel's .config file? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> 3. What other system packages and versions core to the OS (glibc, > > > >>>> etc.) are > > > >>>> used? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Those three questions, I don't think, are asking a lot from VALVe, > > > >>>> considering the amount of time and money we put into hosting the > > > >>>> game. I > > > >>>> don't like the idea, but I'd down-grade packages as needed on my > > > >>>> servers to > > > >>>> keep things running smoothly. Also, I'm not sure *what* you guys are > > > >>>> doing, > > > >>>> but it seems that the updates are a back and forth game with my > > > >>>> ability to > > > >>>> renice my game server processes to -20 (if set, both game servers > > > >>>> spike to 99% CPU used). This is a core functionality to my servers, > > > >>>> and I (as well as > > > >>>> other Source administrators) would really appreciate having it fixed. > > > >>>> It > > > >>>> appears on my servers when two game server processes are set as -20. > > > >>>> However, with one set to -20 and the other left at 0, it's fine. > > > >>>> Again, this fixes/breaks with updates on and off and is sort of > > > >>>> frustrating since > > > >>>> setting the process priority is written into my scripts, and I have > > > >>>> to > > > >>>> remove it every time it breaks (and game server performance suffers > > > >>>> from > > > >>>> it). > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks for your time, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -tsuehpsyde > > > >>>> SourceKills.com > > > >>>> -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > -- > > Vlad Fadyeyev > > e-Plutonia Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- Vlad Fadyeyev e-Plutonia Inc. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
