I thought this might be useful for anyone following this thread on HLDS but not on the Steam Forums:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8923981&postcount=4 -Richard Eid On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Guy Watkins <[email protected]>wrote: > I set my filters to US-East (where I live), < 100, Secure and map break. > The search has been going on for about 5 minutes. But Taks > manager/networking shows network usage for only about 1 minute. About 1% > out and 3% in. It still says "Refreshing server list". > > I did find 4 servers. In the past I never gave this much thought. > > Since my outbound i/o has stopped, it is not a router limit. Maybe an XP > limit. But after maybe 7+ minutes, it is still searching and no i/o. > > I would guess it has been well over 10 minutes now, and still searching. I > burned my lunch waiting! > > Guy > > } -----Original Message----- > } From: [email protected] [mailto:hlds_linux- > } [email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Leighton > } Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:54 AM > } To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] This ones for Alfred Reynolds. > } > } What router are you using? There are certain routers (DLinks afaik), > } that cannot handle a lot of outgoing connections. > } > } My Netgear DG834G works fine, Wireless or Wired, and I get the full lot > } of servers without filters. > } > } Ian Shaffer wrote: > } > I wish it were that easy, sir. You should do some research on this > topic > } > because it gets cluttered with myths and misinformation. This probably > } > affects a lot of people, and applying filters does not make it go away. > } > (as it still pings those servers, just doesn't display them) > } > > } > I've called my ISP so many times over this. It acts like a virus, > } > pinging every IP as fast as it can. It doesn't eat up bandwidth, but it > } > does hit that connections limit. This issue does not show up in COD4's > } > server browser. There's is very smooth and efficient in its method of > } > getting the server info and pings from thousands of servers without > } > pausing once, without causing your connection to go out. The method > } > steam's browser is using is very inefficient. And none of the > } > workarounds published on their site fix the problem. No, caferate > } > doesn't do the job. > } > > } > - Ian > } > > } > Mark Chandler wrote: > } > > } >> Ok, there is a country filter for a reason (so you dont pull in 10k > } >> random server you will never join). > } >> > } >> The server browser has to connect to every server in the list to get > } >> information for it (number of players, map etc) so thats why it is > } >> making lots of connections. > } >> > } >> From memory the server browser starts at ip address close to yours > } >> and works it way out (from both sides) so you are likly to get low > } >> ping servers first. > } >> > } >> > } >> I dont see any of these things as problems. > } >> > } >> > } >> Mark. > } >> > } >> > } >> On 18/01/2009, at 10:42 PM, Ian Shaffer wrote: > } >> > } >> > } >> > } >>> About: Steam server browser/router excuse > } >>> > } >>> I've done a lot of research into this problem. It has nothing to do > } >>> with > } >>> my router. This issue exists in every single configuration, wired to > } >>> the > } >>> modem, wired to the router, and also on wireless. You guys must > } >>> realize > } >>> that I'm not the only one who's having this issue. I think that it > } >>> would > } >>> be in your best interest to hear me out. > } >>> > } >>> http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/707/20090118kc5.jpg > } >>> > } >>> Look at the screen shot. I just did a steam server browser search and > } >>> this is where it stopped and displayed Refresh All, indicating that > } >>> the > } >>> search was complete. > } >>> > } >>> This isn't the first time it's stopped either. Whenever I do a server > } >>> browser search in the source engine or the out of game browser, let > me > } >>> explain what actually happens, and why you to listen. > } >>> > } >>> When I open the browser, it starts searching, pausing every 200 or > 500 > } >>> servers apart, very slowly. Once it hits anywhere near 500-600, it > } >>> stops, or pauses, per say because it's still going. After anywhere > } >>> between 3 and 10 seconds later, it goes again, stopping another 500 > or > } >>> 600 above. Then it pauses much longer, and then resumes. It'll do > this > } >>> until it reaches a point when the list stops refreshing, probably > } >>> because it notices my internet is being knocked out and therefore > } >>> stops, > } >>> or maybe it believes that this is all the servers and therefore > } >>> stops as > } >>> well. Either way, it's a serious problem. > } >>> > } >>> Now, as I did, and most others who have had this issue have gone on > } >>> the > } >>> support site and forum, trying to find a solution. I've made posts as > } >>> well on the steam forums, check out this one: > } >>> > } >>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698242 > } >>> > } >>> Stop telling us it's a router issue, because it ISNT. > } >>> > } >>> I've spoken with my ISP. They've acknowledged the fact that their is > a > } >>> 700 limit for concurrent connections, the only real limit the have. > } >>> I've > } >>> gone as far as to get their engineers to test the steam application's > } >>> server browser, where they've taken off the limit and have stress > } >>> tested > } >>> it, pointing out that at one point they were able to see the browser > } >>> pulling over 50,000 flows of connections. They've called it word for > } >>> word, virus-like, because thats why they have the 700 connections > cap, > } >>> to stop viruses from infecting everyone on the network. > } >>> > } >>> One of the engineers are very familiar with the steam and has > } >>> claimed to > } >>> have contacted you guys at Valve about the matter, but no responses > } >>> have > } >>> ever been given. > } >>> > } >>> Listen. This is a bug with your software. Not the ISP. Many other > ISPs > } >>> in the world do the same thing. Just google it. It's there. Look at > } >>> your > } >>> own forum! > } >>> > } >>> I have presented this information to you in hopes that you will > better > } >>> understand the seriousness of this issue. > } >>> > } >>> There are thousands and thousands of server operators over the > } >>> countries > } >>> of this earth who's servers are sitting empty due to this problem. > } >>> Now, > } >>> this problem doesn't happen to all of us. I'm sure there's a lot of > } >>> IPSs > } >>> out there that have no filtering, and therefore that mandates that > } >>> there > } >>> is no bug. > } >>> > } >>> There is. Either face it or ignore it. I'll still play your games, > } >>> I'll > } >>> still host your games. I'll just listen in and hope for a response. > } >>> I'll > } >>> hope others will concur with me, present their data, their > } >>> situations to > } >>> the board, and then let valve decide whether a decision must be made. > } >>> > } >>> That is all. > } >>> > } >>> - Ian > } >>> > } >>> _______________________________________________ > } >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > } >>> archives, please visit: > } >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > } >>> > } >>> > } >> _______________________________________________ > } >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > } please visit: > } >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > } >> > } >> > } >> > } > > } > _______________________________________________ > } > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > } please visit: > } > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > } > > } > > } > } _______________________________________________ > } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > } please visit: > } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
