Even after you uninstall IE in Windows 7 the dlls that handle the rendering is still there because so many 3rd party applications uses them to render help files and such. So yes they can still expect it to work even if you uninstall it, it's just the gui you uninstall.
1nsane wrote: > Windows 7 has an option to remove IE as part of windows features. There's > nothing to prevent oems (what with those fun lawsuits), especially those in > Europe from removing IE and bundling say Firefox and Opera. > > Valve can no longer expect IE to be part of every PC. > > Though I must say, there's a few fun IE "quirks" that I would miss and could > no longer use if an engine switch was made. (IE's failed URL parsing FTW) > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I'd argue that MS is kept pretty good with security fixes, but I'd also >> argue that that misses the bigger point. The reason people don't like >> using >> IE for showing the MOTD is because of the range of versions people are >> using. It follows that people aren't keeping it updated. From THAT, it >> follows that you don't even need a _new_ exploit. Though the downside of >> including a different rendering engine with Steam AND keeping it updated is >> a much bigger testing burden; swings and roundabouts. >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:hlds_linux- >>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Donnie Newlove >>> Sent: 04 June 2009 22:27 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? >>> >>> Indeed, and what's up with Steams constant I/O usage even when it's >>> supposed to be in idle? >>> >>> My biggest beef with IE in Steam is security. We all know IE is not >>> know for it's high security and it continue to be the most targeted >>> browser and favorite entry point of malware. Using IE made sense when >>> we just had the store using it. It also made sense in the community >>> tab. But using IE for rendering servers MOTD screens is crazy for me >>> since they can be pointed to anything and the in-game browser that can >>> also be navigated to any page. >>> >>> It's just a question of time before things go to shit. What if some >>> clever hacker, or even scriptkiddie, decides next time there's a major >>> IE exploit available, could be for IE6, IE7, IE8 or all of them, it >>> doesn't matter, to set up a bunch of TF2 server with stolen server >>> community names, hacked player count and point the MOTD to a site with >>> the exploit code and payload? Huh? That would just be great publicity, >>> imagine all the stolen Steam logins, paypal accounts and credit card >>> numbers. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Yatin Vadhia<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I also think that the Steam client needs to lose some "fat". In it's >>>> current state I find that it's far too bloated and is far to resource >>>> intensive. >>>> >>>> I know a lot of people who chose not to activate games through Steam >>>> for this reason. >>>> >>>> By moving to a different browser, they could also cater for Macs, and >>>> if they pull this off, they would quickly dominate the Mac gaming >>>> Market. I know there are many issues with this, but Valves own >>>> >>> content >>> >>>> would be incredible on it's own. >>>> >>>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 17:35, Saul Rennison <[email protected]> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> tl;dr the whole topic but I've investigated this issue before, after >>>>> scanning the Source Engine leak, I saw a folder called *QHTM* in the >>>>> *VGUI*folder. >>>>> >>>>> *QHTM* seems like entirely it's own engine, it's very lightweight >>>>> and small: >>>>> http://www.gipsysoft.com/qhtm/ >>>>> >>>>> 2009/6/4 ics <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Regarding P2P, there is no need for it (yet) because Steam content >>>>>> servers seem to be able to cope with current need of bandwidth just >>>>>> fine. I looked them time to time on free TF2 weekend when a lot of >>>>>> players got on downloading TF2 and there was around 40%-50% use on >>>>>> them >>>>>> globally at peak times, if you count them all together. Some >>>>>> >>> content >>> >>>>>> servers at some countries were on quite heavy use but still worked >>>>>> pretty fine, if you believe the graphs on Steam website. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also manage to dl these days 1MB/s - 1,9 MB/s compared to the old >>>>>> days >>>>>> 20-90KB/s from Steam content servers. Some files come slower but >>>>>> thats >>>>>> propably due to their smaller filesize and their count (a lots of >>>>>> small >>>>>> files). Plus all the content is packed up so it saves some >>>>>> >>> bandwidth >>> >>>>>> too. I personally like the current system over P2P a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, if there is one thing to improve with the current system, >>>>>> that >>>>>> would be the content servers managing server-side updates. At the >>>>>> most >>>>>> urgent time when update is out and everyone is downloading the >>>>>> >>> latest >>> >>>>>> files to their servers, there is often a lot of "connection reset" >>>>>> messages and downloading the patch hangs a lot before it even >>>>>> >>> starts. >>> >>>>>> -ics >>>>>> >>>>>> David Kellaway kirjoitti: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/6/4 Roman Hatsiev <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sure thing, this is a key issue of Steam. IE is evil so P2P >>>>>>>> >>> content >>> >>>>>>>> distribution, better server browser and other minor features can >>>>>>>> wait >>>>>>>> till we finish the holy quest of removing IE dependency from >>>>>>>> >>> Steam. >>> >>>>>>>> Yeah! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's really no need to troll this discussion. There are >>>>>>> >>> numerous >>> >>>>>>> reasons why swapping out IE would be a good idea that aren't >>>>>>> "Micro$oft are evil!!" kneejerks: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Control over which plugins can be run and at what privilege >>>>>>> >>> level >>> >>>>>>> (great for security) >>>>>>> - Guaranteed consistent rendering behaviour >>>>>>> - Increased performance >>>>>>> - More features (like rounded corners via CSS) >>>>>>> - Support for users who don't have IE installed or available on >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> PC (they do exist!) >>>>>>> - Easier support for guys running Steam on Wine etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since Valve don't seem to be doing anything big with the platform >>>>>>> >>> or >>> >>>>>>> community right now, this would be a good thing to focus on. P2P >>>>>>> >>> is >>> >>>>>>> mostly pointless when Valve have a world-class server network to >>>>>>> handle games (I routinely get 1.2mbps and up from Steam) and >>>>>>> >>> custom >>> >>>>>>> content is available from dozens of sources (not to mention FastDL >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> servers), and there isn't really anything else I can see that >>>>>>> warrants >>>>>>> updating (except maybe giving the server browser more "power user" >>>>>>> features like advanced filtering). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> - Saul. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> >>> archives, please visit: >>> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
