That's all well and good, but let's not direct our ire at the programmers. On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Saul Rennison <[email protected]> wrote: > Nobody demanded anything, the admins here just point out that bugs that > plague their servers haven't been fixed in months. If all the admins who are > sick of the server bugs took down their servers, then the remaining servers > would be constantly full. That's a given. > > And they need more programmers if they can't keep up with their bug list. > They have absolute masses of money from Steam, so 5 more programmers on > their payroll wouldn't make them bankrupt. > > > Kind regards, > *Saul Rennison* > > > On 30 July 2011 21:34, Tyler Schwend <[email protected]> wrote: > >> [New thread to keep the update thread relevant] >> >> While a game is nothing without servers, server admins are a dime a >> dozen. If everyone on this list shut their servers down, there would >> still be Valve servers, and there would still be the giant number of >> other hosted servers. We obviously have a small role in the success of >> TF2 and its new model, but this attitude that the Valve devs work for >> you, and you can somehow force them into working overtime with a >> crappy attitude is crap. You're not their manager, you can't posture >> and intimidate them into magically fixing this stuff. They have >> deadlines at work just like you guys do, they're being driven to add >> features at the same pace you are at work, while trying to keep pace >> with an ever-increasingly-complex list of bugs and the way they >> interact with each other. Provide server info, crash reports, etc, >> that is useful. This spouting off about how YOU think they're not >> doing a good job and you demand some kind of immediate resolution, >> this sense of entitlement... it's not helpful for anyones' attitude or >> productivity. It's probably why they're never active in conversation >> here. Go outside. >> >> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Saul Rennison <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > A games company with no supporting server admins is a games company with >> > customers with jack shit to play online. >> > >> > How the hell can you say that Valve owe them nothing? Server admins pay >> > monthly for dedicated servers with their *own money* to play a game they >> > love, I personally think they're brilliant. >> > >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > *Saul Rennison* >> > >> > >> > On 30 July 2011 20:50, Brian <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Actually Valve owes its customers everything. Now I am not slamming >> Valve >> >> at all. I have bought multiple copies of damn near everything they have >> >> made. But the fact is they wouldn't be anything without us. They >> wouldn't be >> >> the giant they are without the modders, the community, the server ops, >> the >> >> players, all of us. It is a business and without customers it is just >> some >> >> guys sitting around. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:45 AM >> >> >> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released >> >> >> >> Cool it with the atitude. Valve owes you nothing. Go get some sun. >> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: "Bajdechi \"Nightbox\" Alexandru" <[email protected]> >> >> Sender: hlds_linux-bounces@list.**valvesoftware.com< >> [email protected]> >> >> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:24:35 >> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list<hlds_linux@list.** >> >> valvesoftware.com <[email protected]>> >> >> Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> >> <hlds_linux@list.**valvesoftware.com <[email protected] >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released >> >> >> >> My server just crashed right after the map changed. I'm already losing >> >> patience, What the hell does it takes so long for a fix ? It's more than >> a >> >> week already. >> >> >> >> 2011/7/30 Jesse Porter <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> And from (I think!) 2Fort: >> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on >> >>> rotating_sky_clouds >> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on >> >>> rotating_sky_clouds2 >> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on >> >>> rotating_sky_clouds >> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on >> >>> rotating_sky_clouds2 >> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on >> >>> rotating_sky_clouds >> >>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on >> >>> rotating_sky_clouds2 >> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >> >>> >> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >
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