Call of Duty: Black Ops was an epic fail. Gamehost that doesn't care, they release map-packs instead of patching the actual game and so on.
> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:52:36 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The bad attitude thread > > At least valve cares. > Look at Call of Duty, look at Battefiled. Every year a new game, 1-2 > updates and the game is left alone, exclusiv servers, no linux files and > so on. > > If you complain think how worse things could be ;) > > Am 30.07.2011 23:34, schrieb James Puckett: > > Atleast the srcds updates are being fixed faster then episode 3 is being > > developed. > > > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 1:47 PM, > > msleeper<[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> If you don't like how things are being done - the bugs that are > >> showing up, the frequency of the updates, or whatever it is you are > >> crying about this week - then turn your server off. srcds didn't cost > >> you money to download, and you know that you don't need the pain in > >> the ass that is running the server. I know I sure don't! > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Tyler Schwend<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> That's all well and good, but let's not direct our ire at the > >> programmers. > >>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Saul Rennison<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>> Nobody demanded anything, the admins here just point out that bugs that > >>>> plague their servers haven't been fixed in months. If all the admins who > >> are > >>>> sick of the server bugs took down their servers, then the remaining > >> servers > >>>> would be constantly full. That's a given. > >>>> > >>>> And they need more programmers if they can't keep up with their bug > >> list. > >>>> They have absolute masses of money from Steam, so 5 more programmers on > >>>> their payroll wouldn't make them bankrupt. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kind regards, > >>>> *Saul Rennison* > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 30 July 2011 21:34, Tyler Schwend<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> [New thread to keep the update thread relevant] > >>>>> > >>>>> While a game is nothing without servers, server admins are a dime a > >>>>> dozen. If everyone on this list shut their servers down, there would > >>>>> still be Valve servers, and there would still be the giant number of > >>>>> other hosted servers. We obviously have a small role in the success of > >>>>> TF2 and its new model, but this attitude that the Valve devs work for > >>>>> you, and you can somehow force them into working overtime with a > >>>>> crappy attitude is crap. You're not their manager, you can't posture > >>>>> and intimidate them into magically fixing this stuff. They have > >>>>> deadlines at work just like you guys do, they're being driven to add > >>>>> features at the same pace you are at work, while trying to keep pace > >>>>> with an ever-increasingly-complex list of bugs and the way they > >>>>> interact with each other. Provide server info, crash reports, etc, > >>>>> that is useful. This spouting off about how YOU think they're not > >>>>> doing a good job and you demand some kind of immediate resolution, > >>>>> this sense of entitlement... it's not helpful for anyones' attitude or > >>>>> productivity. It's probably why they're never active in conversation > >>>>> here. Go outside. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Saul Rennison< > >> [email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> A games company with no supporting server admins is a games company > >> with > >>>>>> customers with jack shit to play online. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How the hell can you say that Valve owe them nothing? Server admins > >> pay > >>>>>> monthly for dedicated servers with their *own money* to play a game > >> they > >>>>>> love, I personally think they're brilliant. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>> *Saul Rennison* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 30 July 2011 20:50, Brian<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Actually Valve owes its customers everything. Now I am not slamming > >>>>> Valve > >>>>>>> at all. I have bought multiple copies of damn near everything they > >> have > >>>>>>> made. But the fact is they wouldn't be anything without us. They > >>>>> wouldn't be > >>>>>>> the giant they are without the modders, the community, the server > >> ops, > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> players, all of us. It is a business and without customers it is > >> just > >>>>> some > >>>>>>> guys sitting around. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:45 AM > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cool it with the atitude. Valve owes you nothing. Go get some sun. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: "Bajdechi \"Nightbox\" Alexandru"< > >> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> Sender: hlds_linux-bounces@list.**valvesoftware.com< > >>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:24:35 > >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list<hlds_linux@list. > >> ** > >>>>>>> valvesoftware.com<[email protected]>> > >>>>>>> Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > >>>>>>> <hlds_linux@list.**valvesoftware.com< > >> [email protected] > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My server just crashed right after the map changed. I'm already > >> losing > >>>>>>> patience, What the hell does it takes so long for a fix ? It's more > >> than > >>>>> a > >>>>>>> week already. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2011/7/30 Jesse Porter<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And from (I think!) 2Fort: > >>>>>>>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on > >>>>>>>> rotating_sky_clouds > >>>>>>>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on > >>>>>>>> rotating_sky_clouds2 > >>>>>>>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on > >>>>>>>> rotating_sky_clouds > >>>>>>>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on > >>>>>>>> rotating_sky_clouds2 > >>>>>>>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on > >>>>>>>> rotating_sky_clouds > >>>>>>>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on > >>>>>>>> rotating_sky_clouds2 > >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >>>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >>>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >>>>> please visit: > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>>> please visit: > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux

