what about servers on different ips and port that have exactly the same players.
I join server x. U join server y. And still we play against or with each other :-( On 2 Nov 2011 06:53, "msleeper" <[email protected]> wrote: > Are you sure they're not just adding more servers? Changing IPs is a > server playerbase suicide as anyone who had it bookmarked won't be > able to find it again. I suppose they could use those servers for > redirects, but in theory that would get those IPs blacklisted pretty > fast if Valve's scoring/reputation system is still in effect. > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Jesse Porter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The problem with blacklisting these servers is that they seem to show up > a > > few weeks later with a new batch of ip addresses. Can't blacklist them > > effectively when they do that. > > On Nov 1, 2011 7:40 PM, "Robert Paulson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> It is very rude of you to repeatedly spam the mailing list to pressure > >> Valve into doing whatever you want instead of working on crashes and > >> content. > >> > >> Valve has already put in a huge effort making these servers less > prominent. > >> > >> - Blacklist > >> - Quickplay > >> - Reputation > >> > >> It isn't perfect but blacklisting takes care of the servers you don't > like > >> once you've spotted them. Quickplay and reputation filter most of the > ones > >> you haven't spotted yet. No one I know has any problems finding a server > >> full of real players. Everyone I know just blacklists and move on. > >> > >> Server IPs do not change often since it costs money to buy new ones and > you > >> need proper ARIN justification to get more due to the IPV4 shortage. The > >> fact that you are on here spamming about it as though TF2 is going to > die > >> out next week makes me think that you are struggling with your own > server > >> rather than being a concerned player. > >> > >> I also hate the big pay-to-win servers with fake clients, but it would > be a > >> mistake for Valve to just de-list them, wrongly assuming no one really > >> wants to play there. I have a friend who wouldn't be playing TF2 if they > >> didn't exist and has bought hundreds of dollars worth of Mann Co keys. > And > >> from what he tells me he isn't the only one. Yes he knows there are > bots. > >> The "cloaked" bots appeal to him for the same reason Valve decided not > to > >> name bots bot1, bot2, bot3 and to have them taunt randomly. > >> > >> These servers still exist not because of a fake player plugin but > because, > >> as much as it pains us to believe, some players actually prefer them. > >> > >> No one here is enthusiastic about having Valve delist servers based on > >> anonymous reports because we all know that the system will be abused > even > >> though they have "taken basic measures to prevent" it. We know this > because > >> they also took "measures" to prevent F2P players from avoiding VAC bans > by > >> making throw-away accounts, yet I still see hackers that have made at > least > >> 5 of them in a row and even adding their old VAC banned account on their > >> friends list. > >> > >> To save Valve the administration overhead and abuse, and to satisfy both > >> server administrators and players, I suggest dropping the server report > >> function and adding either of these 2 features. > >> > >> 1. Add a check-box for Valve-only/Favorites-only Quickplay servers. > >> > >> 2. Let premium players rate servers from 1 to 5 upon disconnection. Each > >> player may only vote once. To prevent voter apathy, servers are > >> automatically rated a 5 if the player does not vote. Then the user can > >> decide for him/herself to connect to the server based on the rating > rather > >> than a few opinionated complainers. > >> > >> These two solutions address the root of the problem and lets the player > >> decide while freeing Valve to work on more content. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
