what game supports abuse report. And where do i find it.
ics skrev 2011-11-02 22:00:
As in relation to this, putting good servers off from bad servers
would be made easier if players would be more tied to certain
communities that they play on. Some use the inviter bot crap but how
about adding L4D2 style button to motd "join this server's Steamgroup"
? It would do no harm to anyone and could be usefull.
Also having the report option on the "blacklist this server" window
that you get if you soon after joining disconnect from the gameserver.
It would raise more awareness of the report fuction.
-ics
2.11.2011 22:24, Fletcher Dunn kirjoitti:
The abuse reporting system has only been live a total of 4 days.
Give it some time. There are no plans to give any (non-Valve) entity
any special route to get their claims of abuse escalated more quickly.
There are still simple things we can do to increase player awareness
of this functionality, and we are working on them.
Give it a couple of weeks or so. We'll see how much data we get back
from players, and how effective the system is at curbing these sorts
of problems.
Your humble servant,
Fletch
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:45 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Fake clients, misreported bots,
infringing usage of player names/images
Fletcher - Is there someone we can report blatantly, aggressively
abusive servers to in an attempt to escalate the worst offenders to
human intervention? I don't think any of us here are expecting a
flawless programmatic solution to the issue of Bad Servers, nor would
we expect Valve staff to spend paid manhours joining and checking
servers instead of working on much more important tasks, but as
someone else said, the 1% worst offenders are "too big to fail" and
seem to be falling through the cracks in your automated systems. The
reporting tool sounds like a great solution, but my immediate concern
is that it might not pan out like you (and us server ops) are hoping
since the vast majority of players probably aren't even aware of such
problems.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Fletcher Dunn
<[email protected]> wrote:
This is a problem we're obviously aware of. It's definitely not
that we don't care. However, it is essentially an arms race that is
provably unwinnable by Valve. Furthermore, any change we make in
the name of security will almost certainly cause a disruption of
legitimate service, due to bugs on our part, or usage cases we're
just not aware of. It is a classic conflict between security and
accessibility.
Hopefully those two reasons help explain our reluctance to address
these sorts of problems through technology. They will create an
ongoing arms race, in which we can possibly limit this activity and
make it harder, but probably never eliminate it completely.
Furthermore, this benefit comes at a cost of taking resources away
from adding features and fixing bugs, and also disrupting legitimate
users.
When we can do simple and safe things to make it harder to do these
sorts of things, we will. We have some protocol changes that will
make it harder to do this sort of spoofing, which have been beta
tested for some time now. We'll be rolling those out in the next
couple of months.
Crowdsourcing using the abuse reports helps us stay out of the arms
race, and it's the safest and simplest way to deal with this problem
and many others like it.
Your humble servant,
Fletch
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Mart-Jan Reeuwijk
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:39 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Fake clients, misreported bots, infringing
usage of player names/images
there is some italian group that does that.
they have dozens maybe even in the hundred of servers in server
list, but all get redirected to 1 server. and those server report a
variety of maps played, names in server lists etc. you click info,
refresh, says for example dustbowl, and then join, get redirected to
their server, with bots, and another map then advertized in the
server info. Its damn annoying. And indeed, they change IP's a lot,
to evade blacklisting.
________________________________
From: daniel jokiaho<[email protected]>
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing
list<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011, 7:27
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Fake clients, misreported bots,
infringing usage of player names/images
what about servers on different ips and port that have exactly the
same
players.
I join server x. U join server y. And still we play against or with
each
other :-(
On 2 Nov 2011 06:53, "msleeper"<[email protected]> wrote:
Are you sure they're not just adding more servers? Changing IPs is a
server playerbase suicide as anyone who had it bookmarked won't be
able to find it again. I suppose they could use those servers for
redirects, but in theory that would get those IPs blacklisted pretty
fast if Valve's scoring/reputation system is still in effect.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Jesse Porter<[email protected]>
wrote:
The problem with blacklisting these servers is that they seem to
show up
a
few weeks later with a new batch of ip addresses. Can't blacklist
them
effectively when they do that.
On Nov 1, 2011 7:40 PM, "Robert Paulson"<[email protected]>
wrote:
It is very rude of you to repeatedly spam the mailing list to
pressure
Valve into doing whatever you want instead of working on crashes
and
content.
Valve has already put in a huge effort making these servers less
prominent.
- Blacklist
- Quickplay
- Reputation
It isn't perfect but blacklisting takes care of the servers you
don't
like
once you've spotted them. Quickplay and reputation filter most
of the
ones
you haven't spotted yet. No one I know has any problems finding
a server
full of real players. Everyone I know just blacklists and move on.
Server IPs do not change often since it costs money to buy new
ones and
you
need proper ARIN justification to get more due to the IPV4
shortage. The
fact that you are on here spamming about it as though TF2 is
going to
die
out next week makes me think that you are struggling with your own
server
rather than being a concerned player.
I also hate the big pay-to-win servers with fake clients, but it
would
be a
mistake for Valve to just de-list them, wrongly assuming no one
really
wants to play there. I have a friend who wouldn't be playing TF2
if they
didn't exist and has bought hundreds of dollars worth of Mann Co
keys.
And
from what he tells me he isn't the only one. Yes he knows there are
bots.
The "cloaked" bots appeal to him for the same reason Valve
decided not
to
name bots bot1, bot2, bot3 and to have them taunt randomly.
These servers still exist not because of a fake player plugin but
because,
as much as it pains us to believe, some players actually prefer
them.
No one here is enthusiastic about having Valve delist servers
based on
anonymous reports because we all know that the system will be
abused
even
though they have "taken basic measures to prevent" it. We know this
because
they also took "measures" to prevent F2P players from avoiding
VAC bans
by
making throw-away accounts, yet I still see hackers that have
made at
least
5 of them in a row and even adding their old VAC banned account
on their
friends list.
To save Valve the administration overhead and abuse, and to
satisfy both
server administrators and players, I suggest dropping the server
report
function and adding either of these 2 features.
1. Add a check-box for Valve-only/Favorites-only Quickplay servers.
2. Let premium players rate servers from 1 to 5 upon
disconnection. Each
player may only vote once. To prevent voter apathy, servers are
automatically rated a 5 if the player does not vote. Then the
user can
decide for him/herself to connect to the server based on the rating
rather
than a few opinionated complainers.
These two solutions address the root of the problem and lets the
player
decide while freeing Valve to work on more content.
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