On 25/04/2012 22:29, Erik-jan Riemers wrote:
And don't forget the experience of a valve servers getting a aimbot/speedhacker which can troll all he want because there are no admins..
It's not that bad. Generally you find people who want to troll need an admin / group to feed off and / or they are created in the first place by that group.
That's another aspect of the over management I talked about. Aspects of over management can antagonise people to the point where they become an enemy of that server and silly season ensues.
With 23 mostly anonymous people and no admin Valve's servers are rarely fertile ground (and TBH, trolling and griefing is largely a cultural thing anyway. In Europe if you threw a brick across the room you'd be lucky to get a reaction, even if it hit a few of them. In America, people seem to dance up and down and make a fuss at the slightest thing, and those reactions are apparently worth filming and putting on youtube. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, but there's a lot to be said for not over-reacting)
Then there's the voting system. It's often easier to get rid of a cheat on one of Valve's servers than it is to decide whatever system is in place to get an admin to do something on a 3rd party server. Is it Valve's voting, some other 3rd party voting, do you type !admin. If you do, does anything actually happen? Usually it's too late anyway. The round has been ruined, you may as well leave the server and find a good game.
Often admins join and they're 'he could just be good at sniping, do you have evidence?' - and they want you to record movies and post them and so on. It's not worth the hassle. It's easier to just change server. Perhaps there are some servers with 24/7 admin coverage but it's rarely the case ime.
But, the real saving grace is, 1 buffoon can only really annoy 23 other people and when he's doing that, he's not annoying anyone on all the other servers he's not connected to. So having a ton of full servers is much better protection against trolls than admin tools.
In practise, IME you'll switch server more often because of the way people who aren't cheating are playing than because of a cheat or troll joining the server.
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