I am starting to believe valve probably intentionally made the _increasedmaxplayers not change with sv_visiblemaxplayers setting to keep us from "tricking" manipulating quickplay to send more players to a 32 player server. My problem with that is valve never said anything about it or told people it considers the practice the dynamicslots plugin a violation. Instead they choose to once again simply alienate and cost money to dozens of admins. I say this without ever having been affected. I just think if valve had simply stated that the practice of changing the sv_visiblemaxplayers mid-game or specifically stated it considers the dynamicslots plugin a violation then this conversation would be moot.
----- Original Message ----- From: "1nsane" <[email protected]> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:38:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Reminder about server tags Then you'd also have to keep the server always at 32 players or else when you use sv_visiblemaxplayers the tag can get removed. I see servers on the server list now at 32 players and no increased_maxplayers tag set. This is odd. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Gordon Reynolds < [email protected]> wrote: > You should not be delisted, but you DO run a 32 man server, and advertise > it as a 24 man server. You do correctly change the tags once you near 24, > but it is false advertisement. If I'm looking for a vanilla 24 man server, > end up on your server, and then 10 minutes later I notice there are 32 > people, I'm going to be a little miffed. > > This isn't breaking the letter of the policy but it might be treading along > the "spirit" of it. Just keep the increased_maxplayers tag on at all times, > because you -are- running a 32 man server. > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:59 AM, StevoTVR <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It does sound like a violation of the policy's intent. What is the > > difference between a 32 slot server and one that allows people to join > > until there are 32 players? I think people would expect the displayed > > player limit to stay the same during the session. The only reason I can > > think of for why you do that is to make your server appear to be > something > > that it isn't. > > > > > > On 2/18/2013 8:06 AM, Essay Tew Phaun wrote: > > > >> It doesn't violate it. Whether it's "ideal" to do so is another thing > >> entirely. The tag is dependent upon sv_visiblemaxplayers which can be > >> changed at any time. If you're going to have some automated system going > >> around delisting servers then you should at least make sure the features > >> enabled/disabled set the flags *immediately*. Other features set those > >> flags immediately, such as bots. In my opinion, they should have linked > >> "increased_maxplayers" to maxplayers and not sv_visiblemaxplayers. Then > if > >> you want to lower the visible players you can set sv_visiblemaxplayers > to > >> something lower than 32 and remove the increased_maxplayers tag. It > >> shouldn't work in the opposite way, especially if they're going to > delist > >> servers for it. > >> > >> TL;DR: It doesn't violate any policy the way it currently works. When > >> sv_visiblemaxplayers is changed, the tag "increased_maxplayers" is > added. > >> The problem is that it isn't changed immediately and if my guess is > >> correct, their automated tag checker has delisted some servers that > didn't > >> have this tag set at the time of the check. > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:34 AM, dan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> On 17/02/2013 21:32, Essay Tew Phaun wrote: > >>> > >>> The servers are all started as 32 player servers, sv_visiblemaxplayers > >>>> is > >>>> set to 24 players. Once 23 players join the sv_visiblemaxplayers is > set > >>>> to > >>>> 32 players. The tag "increased_maxplayers" is then applied. This > isn't a > >>>> violation of the tag rules, which is what it's showing we were > delisted > >>>> for. > >>>> > >>>> Why do you change sv_visiblemaxplayers? > >>> > >>> I think, without some overwhelming answer to the above question > >>> what you do definitely violates increased_maxplayers. > >>> > >>> You have to think from the point of view of someone joining the server > >>> thinking it's a 24 slot server > >>> or someone using the tags to filter out servers with > >>> increased_maxplayers. > >>> > >>> Even if strictly in the pedantic sense the tags are correct before and > >>> after > >>> you make the change, clearly in the intent of those tags you are > breaking > >>> the rules imo. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Dan. > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________****_________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.****com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/*** > >>> *hlds_linux<https://list.**valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/** > >>> mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>> > > >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > > > > > > -- > - Gordon Reynolds > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
