[Quote] - Donation benefits: Ruins my vanilla experience when I can't kill donators end of round or have autobalance immunity. I already paid Valve and those hat modelers, why do server owners have the audacity to ask me for any more of my money? [unquote]
I really hate this one, there are achievements dependent on after round kills. Not being able to kill those ruins that, especially with a achievement to kill 5 after round end... that would turn impossible with this. >________________________________ > From: Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com> >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list ><hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> >Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2013, 0:47 >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Reminder about server tags > >It seems like people on the internet have issues reading (what a big >surprise), so I am going to try to keep this as short as possible. > >I am repeating myself because I have problems with people in this mailing >list not even playing TF2 anymore trying to ruin other people's favorite >settings. And it is funny seeing 24-slot server owners trying anything to >get their competitors banned. You know who you are. > >1. Servers were mistakenly banned for a mistake on Valve's part. They did >not know that changing sv_visiblemaxplayers after startup does not set a >tag. Anyone that changed this setting was banned because Valve thought it >set a tag but it didn't. This includes unarguably legitimate uses like >reserved slots. Thus the bans were rightfully removed. > >2. Fletcher himself said "But it’s not ban worthy *and I think it’d be >straying into a grey area on our part to take action against it." > >3. In no first world country has anyone ever been convicted for not >following the "spirit of the law". > >4. The root of the problem is that quickplay is Valve's backhanded way to >get the community to accept the "custom tabs" ghetto under the premise that >quickplay is only for a few noobs. Anyone that actually runs a server can >tell you that having quickplay will make or break any server close to >vanilla. Remove the penalty so servers can compete EQUALLY as it should >have been, or have an opt-in for 24 slots only. > >5. The truth is that larger servers are popular, but quickplay is too much >of an advantage. Valve has the data to confirm this, and will be doing a >disservice to themselves by penalizing them at a time when MvM is running >out of steam to keep TF2 popular. If larger servers were not popular, >people wouldn't keep joining, and thus it is a self-correcting problem. > >Get rid of this quickplay penalty and level the playing field. TF2 was made >in 2007 computers can handle more than 24 slots now. > >6. The quickplay FAQ says > >Are there any server side mods that will disqualify me from Quickplay since >some do not change sv_tags? No, we are not automatically disqualifying >servers for server side mods. If the mods results in a better or worse >player experience, that will be reflected in the back-end server score. > >So whatever happened to this? If Valve is banning servers from quickplay >for changing sv_visiblemaxplayers, then I would request Fletcher to also >remove the following: > >- Reserved slots: Ruins my vanilla experience by getting randomly kicked. >- Donation benefits: Ruins my vanilla experience when I can't kill donators >end of round or have autobalance immunity. I already paid Valve and those >hat modelers, why do server owners have the audacity to ask me for any more >of my money? >- Class limits: I don't care if my team has 10 snipers. If I can't play a >class, it isn't a vanilla experience. >- Alltalk: I really need to strategize with quickplay noobs, and alltalk >ruins my vanilla experience. >- Ability to change maps: As a player, I am entitled to an accurate >indication that the servers I am sent to only has quickplay maps or that >the map doesn't switch right after I join. > >F*ck these server owners right? Who the do they think they are ruining the >way I want to play TF2? This is satire if you couldn't tell. All I see here >is a constant erosion of the rights of server owners. Valve penalizing >larger servers while letting pay-to-win servers off the hook is a sad >perversion of priorities. > >On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Rudy Bleeker <rblee...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I kinda hoped this thread was over, but apparently it's not. In that >> case let me chip in as well. I also kind of agree with Dan. It's all >> about the difference between the exact wording of the rules and their >> intention. Some people on here would do well to read up on that, so >> for your convenience: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law >> >> In this case I think it's clear that with the quickplay system Valve >> intended to give Team Fortress 2 players a predictable and constant >> game experience. So farming the quickplay system for traffic to your >> server and then changing that server to something that's not eligible >> for quickplay is wrong, no matter how the rules were written. I >> sincerely hope this practice will stop and that the servers in >> question will be banned (again). >> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Game-Over <gameover.serv...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > I have to say I'm with Dan on this one, and he often seems to stand >> alone, >> > so I felt I had to say something. >> > >> > Having monitored this group for nearly 2 years, I have come to the >> > conclusion that it is mostly populated >> > by youngsters, who have no life experience to speak of. The excuses used >> > here by some that "Valve never >> > said we couldn't do this" or "there's nothing in the rules that say we >> can't >> > do this", leads me to believe that >> > they rely on parents to tell them when they are doing wrong and they >> simply >> > can't work it out for themselves. >> > >> > This latest trend of using a plugin to switch on Quickplay up to 24 >> players, >> > and then when at 24/24 switch off Quickplay >> > and convert the server to 32 players, instaspawn, with the argument that >> > "tell us where we are breaking the Policy of >> > Truth rules", is quite frankly mind boggling. Lets just forget about >> those >> > players who thought they were joining a >> > stock TF2 server and who end up with 24/7 32 man 2fort spammage, because >> > it's fine as Valve never said that >> > using this particular plugin this was wrong. No Heroes (cough). >> > >> > I blame Pinion as it has opened the gates for children to run servers. >> Good >> > old fashioned honesty, decency and integrity, >> > not to mention thinking of the players and not your pockets. You learn >> these >> > things as adults. >> > >> > Why Valve backtracked on their latest purge of bans is beyond me. They >> have >> > lost their backbone and I'm extremely >> > disappointed. I hope they find their backbone again soon. >> > >> > >> > On 06/03/2013 20:11, dan wrote: >> >> >> >> On 06/03/2013 18:18, Gordon Reynolds wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I'm glad we decided to take the high road here and didn't resort to >> >>> calling >> >>> each other scumbags based on how they want to run their video game >> server >> >>> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> Yeah his was such an erudite and polite message. >> >> Sheesh. >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> >> -- >> Idleness is not doing nothing. Idleness is being free to do anything. >> - Floyd Dell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please >visit: >https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
