I would also like a response, but from a technical standpoint how do you go about testing the respawn times without having to engineer some code that can programmatically report back the respawn wave times? Seems like it's a "problem" on the same level as having donor powers like glowing colors or getting more crits than normal - something that's just really hard to police in any sane way.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi <[email protected] > wrote: > Can we try to stay on the matter of the topic; this isn't about your > opinions on what rate of respawn time is best. > > Point is; will anything be done to those who do not set their sv_tags for > respawntimes correctly. It is becoming more and more common that a > quickplay user would expect fast respawns when using the quickplay system - > thus causing 1. them to leave the server and 2. forcing server owners to do > the same so we're able to compete. > > What's it going to take to get a response from a Valve rep on this. > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:21:38 +0200 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Policy of Truth: Respawn Times > > > > Instant respawning makes the game worse from a balance perspective. May > > take you some time to realise but that's the truth. > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have examples of such servers, because I havent seen many. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Gordon Reynolds < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I would keep using the default respawn times because it makes a huge > > > > difference in map balance? > > > > > > > > Why is this even a question, have you ever tried to balance a map for > > > TF2, > > > > or any game with respawn waves, or are you one of those people who, > upon > > > > dying, frantically just clicks their mouse in a silent building rage > in > > > > some attempt to spawn faster? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM, DontWannaName! < > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > No I blame you invalid protocol, thats the most logical assumption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Invalid Protocol < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Let's assume that there's no quickplay rule regarding respawn > times, > > > or > > > > > > even > > > > > > better, let's assume that there's no quickplay at all. What > would you > > > > do? > > > > > > :) > > > > > > You would still use the default respawn times or you would mod > the > > > > > > server(s) > > > > > > to have faster / instant respawn? > > > > > > > > > > > > My opinion is that many are using now the default respawn times > only > > > > > > because > > > > > > Valve said so, not because they think that players want this. You > > > > should > > > > > > blame Valve for adding stupid rules, not the "malicious" server > > > > > operators. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > ics > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:42 PM > > > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Policy of Truth: Respawn Times > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand players frustration regarding respawn times, > since > > > > they > > > > > > want to play, not wait for to play. Arena doesn't get much love > due > > > to > > > > > > this. But the regular player doesn't understand that maps do not > work > > > > as > > > > > > they should witn such respawn that they expect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I just think it's unfair for other people who run servers to > > > have > > > > > > these servers that have instant or faster spawn in quiickplay > cycle > > > > > > along with the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > -ics > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon Reynolds kirjoitti: > > > > > > > I can see respawntimes are a hard one to easily verify, you > have to > > > > > join > > > > > > > the server yourself, and most new users have no concept of > what a > > > > > "normal > > > > > > > respawn" time is. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen > people > > > > > type > > > > > > > something along the lines of, "wtf is with this respawn, 20 > > > seconds? > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > out" and then just leave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM, ics <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Last time i checked, nearly a month ago, there were several > > > > > communities > > > > > > >> having multiple servers that modified respawn times. Either > very > > > > fast > > > > > or > > > > > > >> instant. They all were in quickplay participants. I checked > and > > > > > reported > > > > > > >> each one of them. I'm not sure if they are along anymore or > has > > > > > someone > > > > > > >> actually gone through reports and removed the servers from > > > quickplay > > > > > > >> through penalty ban. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -ics > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Michael Johansen kirjoitti: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I don't know whether the plugins are fixed, but I know of > many > > > > > people > > > > > > >>> that are not subscribed to this list, and are running an old > > > > version > > > > > of > > > > > > >>> some plugin released on AM a couple of months ago which does > not > > > > add > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>> tags required. I know the plugin authors have added this > feature > > > > now, > > > > > > but > > > > > > >>> who knows, people might not be watching the forums for new > > > plugins > > > > as > > > > > > most > > > > > > >>> of them are "set and forget". > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> From: [email protected] > > > > > > >>>> To: > > > > > > [email protected].**com< > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > >>>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:47:34 +0100 > > > > > > >>>> Subject: [hlds_linux] Policy of Truth: Respawn Times > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> This has been brought up several times but it is only > getting > > > > worse, > > > > > > >>>> this needs to be addressed. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> There are many quickplay-enabled servers out there that > change > > > the > > > > > > >>>> respawn times without having the 'respawntimes' sv_tag. I > have > > > > used > > > > > > the > > > > > > >>>> server-report feature to bring this to Valve's attention > only > > > for > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > >>>> to happen after weeks. The amount of servers now doing this > has > > > > only > > > > > > >>>> increased to the point that when a quickplay-user joins a > > > > populated > > > > > > 32/32 > > > > > > >>>> server, they would complain and leave due to long respawn > times > > > > (not > > > > > > >>>> realizing that other servers have fast-respawn enabled on > > > > > quickplay). > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Are we to see any enforcement, or should we join the crowd > doing > > > > > this > > > > > > >>>> considering it is becoming necessary to compete and > maintain the > > > > > > community. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> ______________________________**_________________ > > > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > archives, > > > > > > >>>> please visit: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware. > > > > > > **com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https > > > > > > ://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > > > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > archives, > > > > > > >>> please visit: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware. > > > > > > **com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https > > > > > > ://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ______________________________**_________________ > > > > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > archives, > > > > > > >> please visit: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware. > > > > > > **com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux<https > > > > > > ://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > > > > please visit: > > > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > > > > please visit: > > > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > - Gordon Reynolds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- - Gordon Reynolds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
