There is absolutely no need for ANY other mute than a "regular sordino", to play "con sord.", if one thinks about tonalities from Ab-basso to C-alto. These tonalities are only relevant for natural horn, where "gestopft" (stopped) is extremely rare to be met with other tonalities than F, E or Eb. I have never seen "gestopft" in the higher nor in the lower tonalities. Regarding horns equipped with valves, I have never encountered any part in A-basso, Ab-basso (Verdi), in Bb-basso, in C-basso, in Db or D requiring "gestopft" nor have I seen such in parts or passages for C-alto, Bb-alto, A-alto, Ab-alto or G.
I do not know what crazy music you play or where your crazy phantasy leads you. You seem to lack a lot of information about the horn, special here about the use of the hand horn and the valved horn. Having played the entire repertory for the horn in the orchestra from the baroque era to the experimental music of the 20th century, including more than 200 operas plus the greater part of the symphonic & solo literature for horn - not played just once for a single performance, but a multitude of times - I can say, I have not heard such nonsense (I took Steve´s recommendation of the different mutes as perfect irony, bravo Steve !) since long. Knowledge comes first, opening the mouth (writing a comment here !) comes later. There are few places in the romantic literature, where single notes in E-transposition are used "gestopft" as an effect, mostly accompanied by a "sfz" or "sf" sign. Is this so difficult, that one requires a different "hardware" (so to speak) ??? Isn´t it much better to improve ones own "software" (the knowledge) ??? People with difficulties in transposing should study transposing. How ? Very simple. Take a Kopprasch book & practise. Very simple. A last word to the different pitches on natural horn: there is the given series of open pitches, valid for any natural brass instrument. And there are some "manipulated pitches". Most of them are achieved by very light movement of the right hand in the bell. Most are achieved by using the higher open note & "manipulate" it down for up to an half step. They are not achieved by "stopping them up" by closing the bell, as so often heard in recordings (even Youtube), what an ugly "eeeh-okh-eeeh-ok" (I cannot stand that !). Why Leitgeb has been praised so much, and Punto ? Because of the eveness of the produced sounds, special in his cantilenas. All seems forgotten. So people not so skilled in transposition have several choices: improve the transposition skill (does not work with stubborn players) write out a part transposed to F (does not work as these stubborn players are also most lazy) If they cannot transpose, they should use a music notation program & change the tonality for the required step, if they understand to calculate this. If players still refuse, they should not touch such parts requiring transposition. If players can use computer programs, why should it be so difficult finding the switch in the brain, to allow transposition ? Yeah, I got it: a greater number of players is missing the fundamental knowledge of music. You ask me WHY ? Because no teacher has told them about. But these players have their own brain. Why dont they use it ????? "We have done that this way always, we will do it that way for the future, there could come anybody telling us how to do it ." ####################################################################################################################### Am 19.05.2010 um 04:36 schrieb [email protected]: > > Don't forget a set of 17 crooks (or equivalent groups of crooks) for > transposition without a mute. > > And a pack animal of some kind so you can cart all this stuff around. > > -William > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Haflich <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 10:25 pm > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Non-Transposing stop mute > > > So, the normal mute is muting but non-transposing. Transposing stop > mutes are also common. And apparently there exist non-transposing stop > mutes. > > Doesn't anyone see the market potential for a non-stopping transposing > mute? All those amateurs with transposition difficulties would buy a > complete set of seventeen transposing mutes from Ab-basso to C-alto! > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
