Ralph,

I'm 100% with you - I have never ever seen in UK the sort of rivalry being
cited on this list.  i think it may be a cultural difference.

Cheers,

Lawrence

On 22 May 2010 17:34, Ralph Hall <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Larry,
>
> I'm not about to pre-empt any response from Hans but if ever I want a
> perfect example of a peevish mail response, I nominate yours for first
> prize.
>
> I am the first to own up to my being ignorant about US amateur/
> community orchestras etc but I have helped out/conducted equivalent
> ensembles in the UK, Germany and the Netherlands and I can't say I
> have experienced the sort of rivalry, competitive ethos, jealousy and
> the undermining of 'colleagues' exampled on the Horn List. I'm not
> surprised the confidence and performance of some first horns is being
> shot to pieces if this is what goes on in the section.
>
> I suggest that most pros who contribute try to be positive and helpful
> - after all, they have a lot to give. If we sow our seeds on stoney
> ground it still won't stop us trying our best to be of help. However,
> if you feel there is nothing to be gained from our contributions...
> well that is your entitlement. Sad, though.
>
> Ralph
> On 22 May 2010, at 12:56, Larry Jellison wrote:
>
> > Hans, want this topic thread to end?  Well, then get out of it, and
> > the other pros get out of it, too.  This thread was about an amateur
> > ensemble issue, the seating of musicians.  The originator of the
> > thread is actually a much better horn player than the person sitting
> > in the principal position of the ensemble she was writing about, and
> > in her modesty she did not claim herself to this list to be such.
> > You pros have your own issues, and we understand that your work
> > environment is extremely competitive and tense.
> >
> > I find the criticisms of William to be way over the top.  He stated
> > that he has another day job (not as a horn player), and thus can
> > play without the pressures of a pro.  Paul, in particular, is toxic
> > and hasn't contributed a worthwhile comment to the thread.  I
> > suggest you pros stay on your own topic threads if you can't
> > maintain the integrity of the thread topic as presented, as you have
> > highjacked this topic to vent your own pet peeves.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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