On 08/30/2009 12:30 AM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > >> I will test them out again but my previous tests with them didn't look >> anything like that mockup. I have heard good things about seq24 recently >> though and I need to revisit them all. >> > ?? seq24 has always looked like that, hasn't it? > > >> The main reason for suggesting that ui model is that imo, AL has >> established a standard interface model and Hydrogen has the base >> functionality in place to support the model. People are begging for an >> Open sourced alternative to AL and imo Hydrogen is one of the best >> placed apps and most capable groups of developers positioned to deliver >> that lofty goal. It's simply about doing it because we can not because >> we have to. Of course there is time considerations too so I don't see it >> as a priority. >> > I just want to say, very clearly -- I am ON-BOARD with participating in a > "Live DAW" project. I am even on-board with basing it on Hydrogen. If > you search the Hydrogen archives, you'll see that I've even suggested this > very thing many moons ago... and I have not forgotten about it. So, I'm > not arguing with you -- I'm just reflecting what you said to make sure I > understand what you're saying... otherwise I'll miss something. > >
I hear you. I'm also not trying to be combative on this topic as I understand the level of commitment required to get it done. I will add that I am prepared to make some time to build out the ui for this feature if it is deemed a reasonable addition to the interface. > However, ATM Hydrogen's audio backend is not capable of handling this. > There is work in progress to make a more durable, flexable backend (the > transport_redesign_2 branch) -- but there aren't many devs working on > hydrogen, and my efforts recently have been focused on getting a stable > 0.9.4 release. > > Absolutely agree. IMO you guys are doing an excellent job of fixing the stability issues and cleaning up the existing interface. I do feel strongly that the existing functionality of Hydrogen combined with the clearly laid out and well designed interface makes it a very useful piece of software and appealing to many AL users as a possible replacement. >> Maybe that's where lash will really come into it's own. Although I'm not >> > While I would love for LASH to reach its potential, IMHO what's needed is > a sequencer with integrated support for audio loops with time stretch > features. > A combination of hydrogen, tX, xwax, ardour, superlooper and freewheeling so to speak... > >>> +-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+ >>> | INTRO | VERSE | CHORUS | BRIDGE | OUTTRO | >>> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+ >>> Vocals | | | | VP1 | VP2 | >>> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+ >>> Guitar | GL1 | | GL2 | GL3 | GL4 | >>> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+ >>> > [snip] > >>> Isn't this how AL's scenes works? >>> >> IIRC AL has support for grouping columns and rows as well as individual >> samples and midi patterns. It also has a lot more functionality like >> multitrack recording, wave and midi editor, etc... >> > Hmmm... I'll see if I can get my head around the row/column thing. > The "trigger/group a row" thing is new to me. > > Also, it would be nice if we can find something that innovates the concept > rather than just a "me too." Ableton gets a ton of credit for what they > designed. It is a game-changing app. for music. I would rather honor > them by innovating rather than merely copying. > > So, I guess the question is: What sucks about the AL workflow? > This is an excellent question and there are few people who can authoritatively comment on this. I have a friend who I could try to tap. IMO the thing that sucks about AL is the complexity of the total app. I don't see things like time stretching and multi track recording being a necessity in hydrogen especially when working in a Linux/jack env. > Peace, > Gabriel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Hydrogen-devel mailing list > Hydrogen-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hydrogen-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Hydrogen-devel mailing list Hydrogen-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hydrogen-devel
