Fortunately 16 years ago I started as operator. No automation tools, no 3rd 
party products, no training, no mentors, only your self-learning. Also the 
great "operation gurues", they were, selfish people that tried to demonstrate 
their lack of kwnoledge and partnership, denying you  the needed help, denying 
explanations or at least guidance to the right place where you can find a clue. 
They were the "wise"
   
  Later I could take my first trainings on IBM, HP and SUN and I could increase 
my habilities and actually I am so glad for helping a lot of my co-workers, 
people in charge and everybody needed of HELP and improving of their skills.
   
  I sadly can mention you , right now, with a bunch of investments on IT 
software to avoid the human interaction, to automate everything ...... the 
operators ( the 95% of them) kwnoledge is null year by year and person by 
person. We maybe forgot that normally the operators are family of anybody in 
the IT staff .....
   
   
  Regards
   
    
   
  

"McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
  > -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Dumb idea - pandering to the "other systems" people?
> 

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> Go ahead and do it. You are not going it improve/degrade the 
> current skill set.
> Nobody can do it, any more.
> 

That was sort of my reasoning as well. We have 99% automated IPL, and
about 85% of shutdown. There is only one person in the NOC who really
has a good idea what is going on. Luckily, our Production Control people
are still top notch. The other people who work when we normally schedule
IPLs simply refuse to try to learn. Likely their reasoning is that since
they don't reboot servers (Windows, Linux, or Solaris), why should they
know how to reIPL z/OS? Mostly, they are "ticket takers". And some of
them aren't all that good at that.

--
John McKown
Senior Systems Programmer
HealthMarkets
Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage
Administrative Services Group
Information Technology

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