On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:49:02 -0700, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'd like to know just how evil, 21st-century, Darth-Vader-like sysprogs >use "ignorance and information hiding" to prevent application >programmers from knowing anything about IPCS. I would say the majority of the shops I've been at (over 30) use different logon procs or starup clists based on userid and different ISPF menus for different groups. TECH, OPS (often together), application programmers and then the end user that only gets the "old" [EMAIL PROTECTED], SDSF and maybe an application to view output if lucky. At least in my experience, the application programmer menus never had IPCS. Just like they didn't have HCD, WLM and some of the other "system programmer" ISPF applications now one the standard [EMAIL PROTECTED] menu (which most shops don't use since everyone has their history of what their menus look like to end users and don't like to change that). But note that IPCS is on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] user menu now. Other shops just had invocation CLISTs for some of these and unless you knew the names or hunted for them, you wouldn't know how to get into the ISPF dialogs. So it probably isn't intentional hiding, but if the programmers don't see IPCS on the menu, it doesn't exist for them and even if they have seen it at another shop may assume they can't use it where they are at. Heck, half the time I couldn't find what I wanted or needed at the shops I consulted at which is why I developed all my own shortcuts (ISPCMDS) and LIBDEF clists similar to Tom Conley's ISPF starter set. Of course the best part about that is I used the same commands at every shops I consulted at. I didn't have to worry about SDSF being option 8 at one stop, option 14 at another and S or SD at still another and finding where the SMP/E option was. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
