On 23 Jun 2008 21:28:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

>><CLC>] Pardon? You've never seen CVS? Or any of its zillions of commercial 
>>and open source offspring? I've built entire (mainframe!) products using 
>>these tools on PCs. And it wasn't even a hard decision to
>make. They're more flexible and easier to use than anything I've used on TSO.
>
>I may have never seen the tools; I've never seen the discipline - which was my 
>(poorly stated) point.
>
>>[<CLC>] Let's stop bashing PCs here. Only a poor workman blames his tools.
>
>I'm not blaming the tools!
>I'm blaming the pfcsk's.
>I have never seen a *ix person follow proper change control.
>I've seen mainframers do it for over 25 years.
>
>I'm not bashing PC's, nor did I in any of my responses.
>I bashed the (lack of) discipline of pfcsk's!

I suspect that the ix and PC development environments that you
describe are in departments that formed as a reaction to the perceived
(and/or actual) rigidity and unresponsiveness of the mainframe
development group.  The Unix shop I was in definitely had change
control and signoff.  I used it in maintenance and development.  It
was an ex-mainframe shop.  Most of the development methodologies that
I have heard about include change control and build organization.  I
am certain that most decent package developers have good change and
version control irrespective of platform.    
>
>-
>Too busy driving to stop for gas!
>

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