Thank you Ron 
I was feeling alone .  
i have been sometimes pulling out applications from mainframe in my shop and
applied all good recipes from centralised processing 
( dual computer rooms , dual replicated storage bays for dasds , dual
network, load balancing , dual tape robotics and even  ESX vmware to drag
and drop servers on the fly)
And it is reliable . ( Lotus notes windows, Lotus portal windows  , WAS
linux  , Windows data servers , AIX applications , etc ...  ) 
The people are younger though , and when you are younger you are less
experienced . 
In effect they are sometimes making the same mistakes i was doing 30 years
ago . 
But now they come and ask , and we the "ancient" give them advice or 
ask them the right questions :" and what happens if blah blah  ???"
I think the issue is more with the people and  their experience or attitude 
than with the platform .
These guys sometimes ask me to put "things" in mainframe and when the cost
is ok  we do .  
Like someone said : i backup my servers with TSM on ts7700 in grid
configuration with jaguar at the back , and it works ( and i  tried it in
AIX and z/OS and not much difference apart from the bill ) . 
Now i am sure that using  DVD's  in Z/os would slow down restoration , but
then we would not think doing it . 
Bruno Sugliani 
zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr
 
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:07:19 -0700, Ron Hawkins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Oh come on Richard. There are Banks all around the world that have never
>possessed a MF, and get along quite nicely with five nines availability on
>Unix clustered solutions.
>
>We should not fool ourselves into thinking that Parallel Sysplex and GDPS
>are the only HA clustered solutions in the market place, whether local,
>metro or geographically dispersed. I had UNIX customers doing multi-site
>RAID-1 over RAID-5 before Hiperswap was a twinkle in IBM's eye! Damn site
>easier to operate too.
>
>Ron

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