Ted said
> I'm not blaming the tools!
> I'm blaming the pfcsk's.
> I have never seen a *ix person follow proper change control.
> I've seen mainframers do it for over 25 years.
> 
> I'm not bashing PC's, nor did I in any of my responses.
> I bashed the (lack of) discipline of pfcsk's!

[<CLC>] I have seen both sides of this and, on average, I would call it
a draw. I have seen very disciplined *IX and PC operations and
unbelievably sloppy mainframe operations. And of course, I have seen the
opposite too. 

It just has nothing much to do with "mainframer=wise" or "pfcsk=dumb".
It has a lot more to do with corporate policies and training and whether
or not the IT staff actually follows the rules. Human nature in other
words. 

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