In my experience, the UNIX and/or PC development teams were more likely to have change integration tools, as they had to deal with multiple development environments, while many mainframe products were developed using ISPF library concatenations, so there was a much smaller number of potential sources for changes. For example, the diff tools available even in line mode unix are much more robust that ISPF 3.13. Yes it isn't always about the tools, but about the process, and as the need increases, so does the usage.
Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: We're losing the battle On 23 Jun 2008 21:28:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >><CLC>] Pardon? You've never seen CVS? Or any of its zillions of commercial and open source offspring? I've built entire (mainframe!) products using these tools on PCs. And it wasn't even a hard decision to >make. They're more flexible and easier to use than anything I've used on TSO. > >I may have never seen the tools; I've never seen the discipline - which was my (poorly stated) point. > >>[<CLC>] Let's stop bashing PCs here. Only a poor workman blames his tools. > >I'm not blaming the tools! >I'm blaming the pfcsk's. >I have never seen a *ix person follow proper change control. >I've seen mainframers do it for over 25 years. > >I'm not bashing PC's, nor did I in any of my responses. >I bashed the (lack of) discipline of pfcsk's! I suspect that the ix and PC development environments that you describe are in departments that formed as a reaction to the perceived (and/or actual) rigidity and unresponsiveness of the mainframe development group. The Unix shop I was in definitely had change control and signoff. I used it in maintenance and development. It was an ex-mainframe shop. Most of the development methodologies that I have heard about include change control and build organization. I am certain that most decent package developers have good change and version control irrespective of platform. > >- >Too busy driving to stop for gas! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
