Upgrade or repair, no, but I have been drafted to pull B&T cables. It's also routine for an SP to work with a CE during an install to coordinate configuration details. The line between hardware and software is fuzzy these days.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Skip Robinson [[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 6:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles A point of clarification. A lot of this revolves around the day to day meaning of 'engineer'. I have never encountered a shop that sends out systems MTS folks to to open up a hardware box with screwdriver and soldering iron in order to upgrade or downgrade or repair a Z box. That practice is SOP in the wienieware world, not in the Z world. So I repeat: what does a Z systems engineer do that a Z sysprog does not do? On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 2:01 PM CM Poncelet <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > I am in the UK. AFAIK CEng is protected by law world-wide (Washington > Accord) but not all countries or states recognise it. E.g. Texas admits > only the TX PE (Professional Engineer) accreditation and prohibits using > the title 'engineer' if not PE licensed, whereas Idaho does recognise > CEng if held for 8+ years. It can be a bit complicated. > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1KkRqEq6JFlWixPUnVkcwG4mrYbIkkygw3Cwf36LVqiSxD9A3unpegVta5snUU4VNKTD6kKCshs9yacbKCRhfINQX_NpciVqOxd6XkAK0W6RfbIs0AQPEdmLpuwmKa3X1k-urRmZNAfWYqOLB5MEVG1tYBEjzhF6f7zcIAV6N-p5KNpoX9CVosU2ryeME2OdG-xXc-Uj5GoIxhfeeRYErCiI0sYc9OEBAFNg7DK1fNCkk0TCNSMIpW8jTTGbpLJSdW-eKMdHCOlG3QlUQJLiEZYN0AI5fSGXbPg5zrM8_1HM_dGCjJjkBqbvTaXxsSLI8kbGN6GB23sVjdGIiFLUCg-xMaajcDTrmZHYkdiFoJusc1YWgHA7ZM-sXRhp2raIdVko0uvqq21f48oCavWtRV99e_TNFIRXQP-a9y0uY2IpGoOMdv1H4aPPgFlsb1S7l/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.engc.org.uk%2Fglossary-faqs%2Ffrequently-asked-questions%2Fstatus-of-engineers%2F > > Cheers, Chris > > > > On 15/10/2021 05:30, Bruce Hewson wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > > > In which country or countries is your statement correct? > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:25:10 +0100, CM Poncelet <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Anyone can call himself an engineer (e.g. a motor mechanic etc.) It is > >> illegal for anyone to call himself a *Chartered Engineer* (CEng) without > >> being qualified and registered as such with an accredited Engineering > >> institution. HTH. > >> > >> Chris Poncelet CEng MBCS CITP > >> > > > > Regards > > Bruce > > > > -- Skip Robinson 323-715-0595 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
