You guys are doing a lot of disservice to IBM customer engineers everywhere.
Thomas Watson named the person who services an IBM piece of equipment a customer engineer in 1942. https://www.practicaladultinsights.com/what-does-a-customer-engineer-do.htm Joe On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:28 AM Radoslaw Skorupka <[email protected]> wrote: > Definitely. When I see soldering, screws, etc. I think about technician, > not engineer. > A person who assemble or fix CPC is technician. > > > > > I mean Polish definitions. > Technician is high school certificate, similar to baccalaureate. > Engineer is technical university graduate, usually got with master of > sciences. > > Our school system (simplified): > First school, 8 years. Start at 7 years old. > Secondary school 4-5 years. Ended with baccalaureate. > University, usually 5 years. Ended with MsC and Engineer for technical > universities. > > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw pisze: > > I think you are possibly misunderstanding what an engineer does. > > > > The root of the word engineer is in the Latin word "ingeniare" > (inventor, designer) and is more associated with things that are > 'ingenious'. So our engineers are more closely associated with design, > rather than screwdrivers and soldering irons. > > > > Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw > > https://rsclweb.com > > ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Skip Robinson > > Sent: 15 October 2021 23:26 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles > > > > A point of clarification. A lot of this revolves around the day to day > meaning of 'engineer'. I have never encountered a shop that sends out > systems MTS folks to to open up a hardware box with screwdriver and > soldering iron in order to upgrade or downgrade or repair a Z box. That > practice is SOP in the wienieware world, not in the Z world. > > > > So I repeat: what does a Z systems engineer do that a Z sysprog does not > do? > > > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 2:01 PM CM Poncelet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Bruce, > >> > >> I am in the UK. AFAIK CEng is protected by law world-wide (Washington > >> Accord) but not all countries or states recognise it. E.g. Texas > >> admits only the TX PE (Professional Engineer) accreditation and > >> prohibits using the title 'engineer' if not PE licensed, whereas Idaho > >> does recognise CEng if held for 8+ years. It can be a bit complicated. > >> > >> > >> https://www.engc.org.uk/glossary-faqs/frequently-asked-questions/statu > >> s-of-engineers/ > >> > >> Cheers, Chris > >> > >> > >> > >> On 15/10/2021 05:30, Bruce Hewson wrote: > >>> Hi Chris, > >>> > >>> In which country or countries is your statement correct? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:25:10 +0100, CM Poncelet > >>> <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>> Anyone can call himself an engineer (e.g. a motor mechanic etc.) It > >>>> is illegal for anyone to call himself a *Chartered Engineer* (CEng) > >>>> without being qualified and registered as such with an accredited > >>>> Engineering institution. HTH. > >>>> > >>>> Chris Poncelet CEng MBCS CITP > >>>> > >>> Regards > >>> Bruce > >>> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
