Definitely. When I see soldering, screws, etc. I think about technician,
not engineer.
A person who assemble or fix CPC is technician.
I mean Polish definitions.
Technician is high school certificate, similar to baccalaureate.
Engineer is technical university graduate, usually got with master of
sciences.
Our school system (simplified):
First school, 8 years. Start at 7 years old.
Secondary school 4-5 years. Ended with baccalaureate.
University, usually 5 years. Ended with MsC and Engineer for technical
universities.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw pisze:
I think you are possibly misunderstanding what an engineer does.
The root of the word engineer is in the Latin word "ingeniare" (inventor,
designer) and is more associated with things that are 'ingenious'. So our engineers are
more closely associated with design, rather than screwdrivers and soldering irons.
Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
https://rsclweb.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Skip Robinson
Sent: 15 October 2021 23:26
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles
A point of clarification. A lot of this revolves around the day to day meaning
of 'engineer'. I have never encountered a shop that sends out systems MTS folks
to to open up a hardware box with screwdriver and soldering iron in order to
upgrade or downgrade or repair a Z box. That practice is SOP in the wienieware
world, not in the Z world.
So I repeat: what does a Z systems engineer do that a Z sysprog does not do?
On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 2:01 PM CM Poncelet <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Bruce,
I am in the UK. AFAIK CEng is protected by law world-wide (Washington
Accord) but not all countries or states recognise it. E.g. Texas
admits only the TX PE (Professional Engineer) accreditation and
prohibits using the title 'engineer' if not PE licensed, whereas Idaho
does recognise CEng if held for 8+ years. It can be a bit complicated.
https://www.engc.org.uk/glossary-faqs/frequently-asked-questions/statu
s-of-engineers/
Cheers, Chris
On 15/10/2021 05:30, Bruce Hewson wrote:
Hi Chris,
In which country or countries is your statement correct?
On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:25:10 +0100, CM Poncelet
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Anyone can call himself an engineer (e.g. a motor mechanic etc.) It
is illegal for anyone to call himself a *Chartered Engineer* (CEng)
without being qualified and registered as such with an accredited
Engineering institution. HTH.
Chris Poncelet CEng MBCS CITP
Regards
Bruce
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