How about message identifier xxxRENEW, where the xxx is the (IBM
registered) company / product MSG prefix?  This would be in addition to
existing messages. Then the site automation notifies their software license
manager.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 15:43 Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> wrote:

> THANK YOU ALL for taking the time to provide your input. The management
> decision is to keep it simple and put out a vanilla WTO that will be
> distinct and easy to automate.
>
> Let me do one e-mail in response to your many, many helpful details:
>
> > IMHO the best way is a WTO that is easy to catch in the customer's
> automation software.
>
> Thank you @Shmuel. I agree that is the approach.
>
> > Wouldn't it be nice if there were a multi-ISV convention for format of
> expiration alerts?
>
> Vendor collaboration on anything license-related alarms the anti-trust
> lawyers.
>
> > Or even for messages requiring human attention?
>
> I think one person's "needs human attention" is another person's "ho-hum."
>
> > The customer has a responsibility to manage their own system.
> > The fact that many do not (completely) is not really something you can
> solve.
>
> Agreed. But I still keep trying. :-( There is no software feature that
> substitutes for management. I keep forgetting that.
>
> > I don't know why the sales team can't keep track of what they've sold
>
> Neither do I, but I'm a programmer, not a psychologist or a VP of Sales.
> In my experience they at least DO not, not reliably.
>
> > And to be totally crazy maybe the salesperson could actually visit the
> customer.
>
> That train has largely left the station. That is a HUGE, HUGE cost that
> would have to be passed on to you-know-who. And customers do not want to
> take the time to have someone in their offices. I miss the days when -- as
> the technical, non-sales CEO of my old company -- I could call someone up
> and say "hey, I'm going to be in Pittsburgh next month, can I take you to
> lunch?" and they would be delighted. Nowadays they would not pick up the
> phone. I really miss those days.
>
> > From my experience over the past few decades on the customer side there
> is no
> > full proof means to inform the customer of an expiring license.
>
> Sadly, I fear you are right.
>
> > My software emails the customer a notice once a day,
>
> I like it, but not going to go there at this time. Will keep that in mind.
>
> > You're assuming that the target machine has the technical connectivity
> to "call home,"
> > or, that if it doesn't, the operators and managers of the target machine
> would agree to
> > such connectivity and configure it. I don't think you can make those
> assumptions.
>
> Agreed. In spades.
>
> > So if I can tell the software - when you hit 30 days, then produce
> > a message to syslog and set the RC to 08 - but only if this tool is
> run.
>
> I like it. I want to keep this in mind.
>
> > The WTO would go to someone to low in the pecking order to make this
> worthwhile.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Charles
>
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