On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:15 am, Ira Abramov wrote: > Quoting Nadav Har'El, from the post of Sun, 12 Sep: > > How do you suggest to manage all the new user requests, permissions, > > projects, and so on? By having people email you requests, or by > > creating some management software (or using an existing one)? > > you see, there are little gnomes that come at night and... >
:-) > > Why do you suggest to use subversion? Why not start with something > > that more developers already know how to use (CVS, RCS, etc.)? > > well, I don't recall RCS having network extension, yet I do remember > that CVS servers has been known to spring leeks and the CVS developpers > keep warning people it's designed from trusted intranets and not the > internet. CVS had a bad security record, true. That's possibly not the worst thing about it. > I think subversion is too new and rare to be considered secure > by default either, and let's not forget it does heavy use of apache > reconfigurations if memroy serves... no, I never installed it, have you? > Well, Subversion can be considered relatively secure because the code was written with a lot of attention to security, is of very high quality. There were a few security bugs in Subversion, but only two or three since the 1.0 release. Also, it has a comprehensive test suite that ensures that bugs don't re-appear. The HTTP service is dependant on Apache 2, which so far had a less than stellar security record. Nevertheless, all these things should be promptly taken care of by the maintainers of the apt repositories. What do you mean by "make heavy use of Apache reconfigurations?". I have installed Subversion several times. (from source, mind you) I even have one running on a public Internet server: http://stalker.iguide.co.il:8080/svn/lm-solve/ It's in my private account with a limited hard-disk quota and so far seems to be doing very fine. Maintaining an installation by using Debian packages should be considerably easier. > I think the basic philosophy of the IGLU server management (if history > can teach us anything) is that stability is bliss, since people kept > starting new unmaintainable setups on the old servers, patch them around > and leave them without an upgrade path, then abandon them for the next > project. Well, the Debian Subversion packages are fully maintained. There's no problem here. > we also decided that the minimum possible should be installed > (again, AFAIR), so why bog down the system again? I see no reason why we > should invent new uses for the last 30 gigs and then wake up one day in > 2005 to discover we ran out of disk space again. Well, an svn version control system does not take _that_ much space. My repositories on stalker take less than 100 MB together. I believe the needs of the entire Israeli community can be served by at the very most of 2 or 3 gigs. Plus, I think we can expect eskimo's disk array to be upgraded sooner or later. (can we? /me pokes Shachar) > > if you must use up the free space, I suggest a Mandrake urpmi mirror, of > which there is none in Israel. That's a good idea. +1. Of course, I think we'll have enough space for Subversion hosting as well. > or the GNUwin 2CD set which is a nice > offering to balance the Linux-centric mirror of Hamakor. Hmmm... are there connectivity problems in downloading it from abroad? > also how about > ReactOS and an ISO of FreeSBIE? ReactOS? Hmmm... does not sound hyper-useful for the common user. And what's FreeSBIE? Regards, Shlomi Fish -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://shlomif.il.eu.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire.
